2013 NBA Finals: San Antonio Spurs (2) vs Miami Heat (1)

[deihatein]

That reminds me of a conversion I was having earlier but forgot to bring up the point so I'll force it on you. Imagine Barkley in today's game where you can play stretch fours and fives and zone. Barkley as the "SF" next to say, Dirk and Marion, but they swap on defense or whatever. om nom nom nom.

The perfect backup to Dirk lol.

[_Steve_]

My point with Kobe is Heat fans can't handle facts when faced with it.

LeBron dicksuckers say this or that to defend him but bottomline he actually did what he's known for and that is choking while people may bash Kobe this or that but bottomline he's the best because of what he actually did and that is to win. A lot.

That's it! Kobe achieved a lot. He won crucial games for the Lakers. But most of all he took over when it counted most. Sure he failed, but he tried (same counts for MJ). Look at the replay when LeBron stepped to the free throw line late in the 4th quarter. Look at LBJ's facial expression. He almost seemed as if he've had fear.
I really wished for him, that he'd become more of a demanding player in crunchtime during the most important games, but that did not happen until now and I do not think it will ever happen. He's just not that kind of guy (at least at the moment).

[shadowgrin]

But LeBron is capable of beasting it when he wants to, see game 5 against the Pistons in 2007 or game 6 against the Celtics last year. That's why it's mind boggling why he chokes when he's more than capable of taking an entire team down by himself.

[SoF'nAwesome]

The results of wrestling matches are predetermined.

But you don't know what is determined. And that was just an example.

It's not about fandom, it's about the appreciation of sports.

Then appreciate LeBron James and the Heat.

I find it funny that it's the fanboys and bandwagoners in this thread that brought up the 'hate' and 'jealousy' angle against the Heat in the first place. They can't accept the fact that people have different reasons and opinions for rooting against another team which they don't prefer so all the bandwagoners and fanboys do is assume and impose their own opinion to those that disagree with them and OMG HATER U JEALOUS OF MY TEAM.

I have been over this. Not in all cases, but in most cases it's somehow that related.

It's just tough, man. Just tough. Fanboism and hate travel two different directions on a single lane alleyway. Casual taunting is inevitable. That's another fun(or stressful) part of sharing love for the sport. So while we are at it, at least we could have fun calling each other cocksuckers.

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So for these Playoffs, where Wade is playing underwhelmingly (cause of injury), if you could just trade Wade for a guy like Tyson Chandler (who earns the same money), the Heat would have no trouble winning it all. (My opinion)

If Wade is gone, team chemistry will go to shit. And that's one of Miami's most powerful weapons. See how they are keeping Juan just for the sake of morale.

Oh and btw, watching the press conference, how cocky is LeBron? You watch Duncan, Parker, their analytical, sober style. True professionals. LeBron is so cocky talking to the media. ALso just my perception maybe.

If you think LeBron is cocky, you should see on of those Kobe ones. And that's the pissed LeBron attitude. Check out any of the previous ones apart from the game 6 in Pacers, he is pretty cool.

I never resorted to calling the Kobe bashers as jealous haters as my main argument in this recent defense example of Kobe.

Why would you? We know that LeBron has no reason to be jealous of Kobe. Rings will come but the MVPs won't ever come for Kobe. That's not an assumption, that's your favorite word "fact".

[NovU]

That's it! Lakers achieved a lot. Lakers won crucial games for Kobe.

Fixed.

But most of all he took over when it counted most. Sure he failed, but he tried (same counts for MJ).

No, he didn't. When?

But you're right, he tried. He shot a lot. A lot.

Look at the replay when LeBron stepped to the free throw line late in the 4th quarter. Look at LBJ's facial expression. He almost seemed as if he've had fear.

This is the LOL thing I always mentioned about. Kobe's mean game face! Ah-Sum!

If you guys really want to discuss Kobe, feel free to make a thread for it. Let's not do it here.

[_Steve_]

In fact I wanted to discuss how scared LeBron looked during the 4th quarter of Game 1.

[Sauru]

i think you misunderstand why people hate the heat so much. i am sure some people hate them out of jealousy but i would say far more people hate them because lebron is a fucking douchebag and no body wants to see anyone who is such a dick win anything

And doesn't the LeBron "douchebag theory" mainly comes because of him joining the Heat? Or was it more because he left Cleveland like that? To be honest, people still hating on him & rooting against Heat just because of "The Decision" is retarted. Unless, some just don't want to accept LeBron as the greatest or in some silly cases, better than Kobe.

need to first say that lebron is not the greatest. just had to get that out of the way. he is the best in the game now but in no way shape or form the greatest ever.

i am a boston fan, obvious i know, but i am a boston fan in all sports. in my world it makes zero sense to like a team from one city in basketball then like another cities team in football. where i am from you like them all or you are not a real fan. so that being said i hate to see bandwagon fans. i am not saying you are one or not just saying is all. also how lebron handled himself was horrible. i root for boston teams and again players i do not want to see win. the heat as a team have several players i do not like. lebron as mentioned, wade for winning a ring from straight up flopping. that first one against dallas was one of the worst finals i have ever seen. ray allen, no way i want to see him win. guy leaves boston cause he dont want to come off the bench and joins a team to come off the bench..... yeah go fuck yourself ray.

another thing is i have said for awhile that what miami did is bad for the game. people here have fought back saying boston did it before them but the way boston got their big 3 was different than miami. the celtics built through trades while the heats big 3 just all got together in the offseason and said "lets all join one team and rape the league". this also leads to my "lebron cant handle pressure" mentality. true winners, the best of the best, do not run away they stick around. they make people come to them. jordan didnt join the pistons, he stuck it out and finally beat them

[shadowgrin]

Sure, flat out insulting Heat fans as bandwagoners and LBJ cocksuckers don't sound like much of main argument either. And then calling people who 'hate' the Heat Haters isn't a right thing? LoL. Well... ok.

Awww you butthurt now because of the insults?
What happened to all that having fun with taunts that you started talking about?
I didn't even start the insults until you mentioned me initially in a post that had nothing to do with me.
What happened to casual taunting that you so wanted before?

Yes, the taunts aren't my main argument, it's just part of that casual taunting that you liked and so asked for and now get butthurt by it and use it as your argument.
Typical NovU. Asks for something whose idea started with him and now uses it as an argument and to play the victim role.

I called those fans bandwagoners and fanboys because it's usually the bandwagoners and fanboys that resort to that type of hater angle.

Editing your posts won't hide your idiocy.

But you don't know what is determined. And that was just an example.

Hornswoggle is placed as an act and not for competition.
Why compare manly theatre entertainment to sporting competition? Your example is flawed.

Then appreciate LeBron James and the Heat.

Why should I? You're being bossy again Springsteen. Why can't I root for the other team? Rooting for or against a team is part of the appreciation of sports.

I have been over this. Not in all cases, but in most cases it's somehow that related.

Then why bring up the hater angle in the first place? Like I said it's the Heat fanboys that initially brought that angle in here.

We know that LeBron has no reason to be jealous of Kobe.

How do you know? You talked to LeBron? Or are you assuming again? Who's talking about LeBron hating on Kobe? You're assuming again I see.

Rings will come but the MVPs won't ever come for Kobe. That's not an assumption, that's your favorite word "fact".

We've also been over this. You really love the media handed award.
While you're at it ask LeBron if he's willing to give up future MVP awards for championship rings.
Players (from the stars to scrubs) don't get hired to win MVP awards, they are hired for the goal of winning it all. Winning a media given award is only a sideshow highlight to the ultimate goal of winning a championship or even a bonus to the paycheck.

[koberulz]

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What the fuck happened in here?


Not sure Parker's shot should have counted. It looked pretty clearly in his hand as the light was starting to come on from the side angle, and the baseline angle didn't have the light starting to come on, just the light off and then fully on.

[NovU]

Sauru, I knew you were a good man but being a Celtics4lyf you are, we could never agree on anything.

Awww you butthurt now because of the insults?
blah blah blah

Nope. I was merely pointing out on your double standard as you can't seem to accept people reacting to your trolling which you like to refer to as facts.

I called those fans bandwagoners and fanboys because it's usually the bandwagoners and fanboys that resort to that type of hater angle.

Calling people who hate the Heat 'haters' is not a wrong thing. You've done much uglier things than that in this forum iirc.

Editing your posts won't hide your idiocy.

I did it to end this meaningless discussion. I been here long enough to know what you are. Well... carry on now, I ain't doing this anymoa.

[shadowgrin]

1. My 'trolling' as you like to call it is indeed based on facts. If you think it's not why not refute it? I don't like people reacting to my facts? Maybe because said people can't counter it with facts and rely on assuming and placing hater agendas.
lol double standards, says the guy who wanted casual taunting and when it's done against him he whines.

2. Indeed ugly things but can't say they didn't deserve it.
Or in some cases sticking to my guns and never flip flopping with my reason like you just did.

And I've been here long enough to know you're an...well...carry on then.

What the fuck happened in here?

Same what's happening with the NBL, a mess.

Even if Parker's shot wasn't counted the Spurs would have won by two instead of four.

[stereoxide]

Not sure Parker's shot should have counted. It looked pretty clearly in his hand as the light was starting to come on from the side angle, and the baseline angle didn't have the light starting to come on, just the light off and then fully on.

That was a very close call, but the refs reviewed it thoroughly so I fully believe that the basket counted.

[Mandich]

Lol at Novu fighting in virtually every topic and ruining it every time. Lol at shoadow being an idiot thinking he can prove something to these Heat fans This is a finals series topic, don't get all bitchy boys.

That was a great shot by Parker, a great game in general. koberulz, he did in fact released it in time as the tapes have shown. C'mon Timmy take what you deserve !

[Stress Fracture]

Parker released the shot with 0.1-0.2 seconds on the shot clock. I think that's the reason why the league made the shot clock show the tenths when it's less than 5 seconds.

Thank you shadowgrin for enlightening these cHeat fans.

[koberulz]

Even if Parker's shot wasn't counted the Spurs would have won by two instead of four.

Yeah, Miami's strategy wouldn't have been any different so it didn't impact the result, but I'm not sure it was the right call and after three pages of Heat-related nonsense I felt someone should discuss the actual Finals.

That was a very close call, but the refs reviewed it thoroughly so I fully believe that the basket counted.

That's...not really much of an argument.

koberulz, he did in fact released it in time as the tapes have shown. C'mon Timmy take what you deserve !

Not the tape I saw.

Parker released the shot with 0.1-0.2 seconds on the shot clock. I think that's the reason why the league made the shot clock show the tenths when it's less than 5 seconds.

It's not. Why would the shot clock displaying tenths or not affect the replay?

[_Steve_]

I watched about 4 replays from different angles.
The replay which could have been most informative because it showed the clock and the shooter was a bit grainy, so I was not able to see whether Parker still had contact with the ball when the shot clock expired. To me it looked like a correct call. If there was shot clock violation the violation wasn't obvious.

[BrotherJRB]

Watching this finals it looks like we are watching the FIBA championships. The influence of "drive and kick" basketball is very apparent.

The Spurs best inside player is Tony Parker.....although Splitter and Duncan did have some good moments. All the action and spacing they run to give him the open lane is very nice. And as ABC showed multiple times his ability to finish off the wrong foot is very difficult but effective.

Another thing it is hard not to notice this has become a 3pt shot league. The corner three is the most important shot in basketball now. Memphis and Indiana don't have a lot of shooting and it is why they are both fishing right now.

[shadowgrin]

Another thing it is hard not to notice this has become a 3pt shot league. The corner three is the most important shot in basketball now.

Because the corners have a shorter distance to make the three, 22 feet iirc. It makes more sense and easier to shoot it at that distance rather than shoot it beyond 24 feet with the results being the same. Then there's Josh Smith...

Lol at shoadow being an idiot

Thanks, I consider it a talent.

[BrotherJRB]

Another thing it is hard not to notice this has become a 3pt shot league. The corner three is the most important shot in basketball now.

Because the corners have a shorter distance to make the three, 22 feet iirc. It makes more sense and easier to shoot it at that distance rather than shoot it beyond 24 feet with the results being the same. Then there's Josh Smith...
Yes but it is also the easiest place to trap with the sideline. In lower levels of play the corner three isn't consider a great spot to be on the court. Like you said the shorter distance makes the difference.

[Jackal]

So..

Good game, good effort.

[SoF'nAwesome]

Ya, game 2 is gonna be great. If Heat lose, I don't think they will be able to survive the 3 games at Spurs.

[Andrew]

Incredible game to start the Finals, with an amazing shot from Parker. It was damn close to being a violation; it was difficult to tell from a lot of the angles but the clearest angle did show the ball a few centimetres out of his hands before the light came on, so it looked like the right call. Hope the rest of the Finals is just as competitive and exciting.

The Spurs have to feel pretty good about a win where they were outrebounded, shot 41% from the field, on the road and trailed much of the game. It is just one game but the fact that they can play better than they did and yet still won - and have three straight games in San Antonio, if necessary - has to be very encouraging. At the same time, losing Game 1 hasn't meant a whole lot to the Heat these past couple of postseasons, so they're a long way from being in trouble.

[NovU]

I don't really like 'fatigue' excuses I'm seeing from the team atm. It's the Finals, you have to be prepared at all cost.

As usual, it feels like the Heat are the team once again that has to make an adjustment in the series, which they have been doing for entire playoffs.

[koberulz]

Incredible game to start the Finals, with an amazing shot from Parker. It was damn close to being a violation; it was difficult to tell from a lot of the angles but the clearest angle did show the ball a few centimetres out of his hands before the light came on

It didn't. It showed it in his hand with the light off, and out of his hand with the light on. There was never any image of the ball being out of his hand with the light still off.

[SoF'nAwesome]

I don't really like 'fatigue' excuses I'm seeing from the team atm. It's the Finals, you have to be prepared at all cost.

I think that & the fact that Spurs got so much rest has gotten into their heads.