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Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby buzzy on Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:08 am

Pistons involved as well

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Going online now: ESPN sources say Grizzlies and Raps have deal in place to swap Rudy Gay and Hamed Haddadi for Ed Davis and Jose Calderon

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Sources say deal will morph to include third team to take Calderon, w/Detroit at front of line to land Spaniard after chasing him all season

ESPN sources say Pistons poised to send both Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye to Grizzlies to acquire Jose Calderon as part of Rudy Gay deal
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby formx on Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:40 am

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/01/ ... ownership/

The National Post’s Bruce Arthur has learned that the trade is in the process of being proposed to Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment’s Board of Directors. It is not a slam dunk to go through, as the move would add considerably to the Raptors’ payroll over the next two years, and would likely ensure several follow-up moves would need to be made by the Raptors.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby benji on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:17 am

(Y) (Y) (Y)

Even if Daye does have to go win a bunch of titles for the Grizzlies.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby Andrew on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:35 am

Seems like everyone's getting what they want out of it, particularly cap relief as far as the Pistons and Grizzlies are concerned.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby King Mellow on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:40 am

Grizzlies - Ed Davis, Tayshaun Prince, Austin Daye and a future 2nd round pick from Toronto
Raptors - Rudy Gay and Hamed Haddadi (likely to be waive)
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby NovU on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:46 am

I'm happy for the Raptors though they still have Bargnani on the roster. Replacing him with Gay as a franchise player at least is a step forward. Here's to the hope BC still gets rid of Bargnani this season.
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Postby bowdown on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:49 am

Prince is getting much older but I still like him on the Grizzlies unit. He can do a lot of everything still at his age. Brings a lot of playoff experience too. Now Memphis is strictly relying on their big guys only. Gasol's stats should go up
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby Leftos on Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:57 am

Calderon is better as a pass-first PG than anyone we have right now, so I like this move. So much cap space in the upcoming off-season. Let's hope Joe D doesn't pull a "Gordon & CV", and actually makes something good of all this cap space.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby benji on Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:26 pm

NovU wrote:Replacing him with Gay as a franchise player at least is a step forward.

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Postby NovU on Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:23 pm

It is, considering how much Torontonians were tired of being force fed how Bargnani was a second coming of Dirk Nobiscuit by BC.
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Postby benji on Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:54 pm

So not only do they get to keep Bargnani they get to pay another non-franchise bit above averagish player the maximum to be their franchise player. And they traded a good 23 year old forward and an expiring contract to get him.

And this is a step forward.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby NovU on Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:56 pm

Ed offers decent defense and rebounding, and average offense with average ceiling and body. Let's look at another loss who is Calderon, a superstar ball distributor with bullseye shooting? Watcha expected from trading these two? DWade? DWight?
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby bowdown on Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:15 pm

If Valanciuonsous turns out to be a good center. They can play bargnani's pussy ass at PF. With Lowry/Derozan/Gay/Weaknani/Valanciounous

not bad. Especially in the east.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby benji on Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:29 pm

NovU wrote:Watcha expected from trading these two??

I certainly would have been looking for a hell of a lot more than the opportunity to waste $40+ million in exchange for a good power forward half a decade away from his prime and $11 million in immediate savings.

I had completely forgotten they already threw away money on DeRozan too. So now you're spending what, close to $40+ million A YEAR on him, Gay and Bargnani now. Then we've got Fields on top of that.

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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby NovU on Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:48 pm

Hahaha. This reminds me of Nets discussion where I thought they were being idiots for spending money recklessly to build a generic 5th seed losers for next several seasons even in a big market with uncontrollable salary(which btw was proven right, look at tonight's game). But opposite argument was "What can they do?". I think that argument suits the Raptors better. It took 21 millions to bring Fields to Canada. BC and his team have been always FA losers and the trend is hard to break with a club like Raptors. Possibly building a prototype 1st round loser was a winning decision for the tired fans.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby benji on Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:04 pm

This team will never make the playoffs. And it's not just about signing free agents. It's about not paying the luxury tax. It's about flexibility.

I don't think people understand how utterly average Rudy Gay is outside of his contract.

Would you pay $18+ million a year for a prime Glenn Robinson? Because Rudy Gay isn't close to that level.

A SF who averages 14-18 pts, 5-6 rebs and 2 asts is literally average. You can find HUNDREDS of these types of players in the NBA over the last few decades. Gay doesn't shoot threes very well, doesn't pick up gobs of steals or blocks, doesn't get to the line in large amounts or shoot an outstanding percentage there. The Grizzlies probably could have waived Gay when he wanted the max and have drafted six or seven players to make attempts at getting this level of production by now and been successful with a couple at worst.

They, for example, just picked up one for 60% less and probably won't miss a beat.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby NovU on Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:22 pm

Right. I realize he is the ultimate underachiever of "max paid" players and I don't like him at all. But I believe the Raptors can be a prototype 1st round losers with this guy averaging about 20/6/3.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby Andrew on Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:04 pm

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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby benji on Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:46 pm

What the fuck at that article, did Woj have a stroke?
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby xerion on Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:03 am

benji wrote:This team will never make the playoffs. And it's not just about signing free agents. It's about not paying the luxury tax. It's about flexibility.

I don't think people understand how utterly average Rudy Gay is outside of his contract.

Would you pay $18+ million a year for a prime Glenn Robinson? Because Rudy Gay isn't close to that level.

A SF who averages 14-18 pts, 5-6 rebs and 2 asts is literally average. You can find HUNDREDS of these types of players in the NBA over the last few decades. Gay doesn't shoot threes very well, doesn't pick up gobs of steals or blocks, doesn't get to the line in large amounts or shoot an outstanding percentage there. The Grizzlies probably could have waived Gay when he wanted the max and have drafted six or seven players to make attempts at getting this level of production by now and been successful with a couple at worst.

They, for example, just picked up one for 60% less and probably won't miss a beat.


Good post, but don't forget Rudy didn't require the max. It was Heisley who waited too long, then got scared of other teams and threw in the max. Totally overpaid the player.

Now we can re-sign Tony Allen and build around Gasol and Wroten. Don't be surprised if Z-Bo gets traded too.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby NovU on Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:38 am

OMG LOL! :lol:
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby Qballer on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:28 am

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what? whaddya mean he's traded? aw, fuck this!

pretty sure toronto was ok letting davis go because him and amir johnson are so similar numbers-wise
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby NovU on Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:25 pm

I sorta thought Tayshaun was going to retire a career Pistons.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby benji on Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:29 pm

Finally Bryan Colangelo has loved Gay since his college days. He was seriously torn between Gay and Bargnani on draft night. I think he feels like if he unites them, the Raptors instantly get better.

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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby Leftos on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:41 pm

NovU, I'm sad to see him leave as well because of his legacy, and he was consistent in his numbers over the years, but keeping him would do the Pistons no better. Granted, I doubt Singler, Jerebko or Middleton can play proper SF, but I'd rather try Calderon for the rest of the year, a proper pass-first PG that can, among other things, get passes into the post and run the PNR with Drummond. Maybe we can re-sign him for cheap when all is said and done, if he plays well enough. And if Stuckey ends up going, I won't cry a single tear.
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Postby Brawn Shadley on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:30 pm

benji wrote:What the fuck at that article, did Woj have a stroke?

Nope. Just good old fashioned Haterade...
Levien is making these deals based largely on the recommendations of John Hollinger, a statistician who worked for a cable sports company. The San Antonio Spurs once used him as a consultant and regretfully took his advice to sign a free agent named Jackie Butler. It was such a disaster, the Spurs had to attach Luis Scola to a trade to get Butler out of town.

As if a basketball 'expert' who happens to be a sports 'journalist' for an internet website is better than a statistician who worked for a cable sports company who's the worldwide leader in sports. Pot calling kettle black.


Woj does good work though...
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby NovU on Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:46 am

Woj is far from anything like John Hollinger who relies heavily on numbers. He's bit more opinionated but his articles still are well articulated and fun to read, though I think he's bit off with this one, especially on the notion that Gay is some sort of a superstar caliber player and that the Grizzlies blew up the championship team.

Some are saying this move came too early(incl. woj) as the Grizzlies were doing well but it's no surprise because John Hollinger being a statistician, probably hated Gay's game.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby Its_asdf on Mon Feb 04, 2013 12:56 pm

I dislike this trade. Ed Davis was looking promising as a big prospect (either that or Raptors fans like myself have major beer goggles after watching Bargnani play the 4). The Raptors also have about 17 mill tied up in Gay, another 10 for Demar, another 7 for Fields and another 10 for Bargnani next season.. That's throwing a whole lot of money for mediocrity. Colangelo has been known for his quick band-aid fixes and seems exceptionally trigger happy now that his job is on the line.

In terms of Gay himself, he's looked nice along side Demar these past couple of games. It's quite weird how Gay is essentially a more talented version of Demar which makes them fairly redundant on offence but the lanes seem a lot more wide open recently to allow both of them to slash to the rim. Most of that can probably be attributed to Jose's 20 seconds or more offence that was so exciting to watch these past few seasons though.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby NovU on Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:22 am

Seems like the Grizzlies have been doing just fine without Gay. It seems like they don't miss Gay penetration and Gay backdoor cuts that much. :rimshot:

As for the Raptors, they aren't doing too bad either but I can't stop laughing at the notion that Gay became the best player instantly for the Raptors in more positive ways than not. The Raptors already were an OK team when Barfnani was injured. As benji said $40(over) mil tied to DeRozan, Gay, and Barfnani is big a concern down the road.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby benji on Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:41 pm

NovU wrote:Seems like the Grizzlies have been doing just fine without Gay. It seems like they don't miss Gay penetration and Gay backdoor cuts that much.

Because they have superstar Austin Daye tearing it up.
NovU wrote:As for the Raptors, they aren't doing too bad either but I can't stop laughing at the notion that Gay became the best player instantly for the Raptors

Amir Johnson and Kyle Lowry are still on the team. Jonas Valanciunas too.

Gay's used the green light to jack shots like crazy for close to 40 minutes, but he's not making them.
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Postby NovU on Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:39 am

Makes me wonder why the Pistons were benching Daye. I thought he had good upside to develop. (I was first to pick him up from Waivers in fantasy league only to drop him shortly later because he wasn't getting minutes.) He only plays about 10 bench minutes for the Grizzlies but he can certainly play. I think the Pistons had good reasons to play him more as they weren't getting much from most of the roster anyways.

As for the Grizzlies, it seems their defense has improved with Prince while their offense has suffered a minor setback. But they've been winning despite the loss yesterday. The thing is they weren't a championship team to begin with with Gay. Without Gay, they probably still are not but there are indication the team actually has improved, proving a lot of ESPN sportswriters wrong.
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Re: Rudy Gay Traded to Raptors, Grizzlies Get Ed Davis

Postby Andrew on Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:31 am

It was noted during the game against the Heat yesterday that they're shooting the ball better and assisting on more of their field goals since the trade, so offensively speaking they're still making things work.
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Postby benji on Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:19 pm

Part of that, especially the assist one, is kinda to be expected when you subtract a black hole that uses a quarter of possessions.

A high % of baskets being assisted can also be a sign of a bad offense though. (See: The Kidd Nets)
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