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Postby Leftos on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:52 am

We'll be discussing the Royce White issue in the next soon-to-be-recorded podcast (Jan 7 or Jan 8), and we wanted to gauge the community's thoughts on this before the podcast so that we get your voice heard.

We'll be reserving our opinions for the podcast, but share yours here, and we'll make sure it gets heard.
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby airBerlin on Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:50 am

I personally can't stand when I see comments on this matter calling Royce White a crybaby, saying Houston wasted their pick, etc.

Am I the only one that looks at this situation at a much bigger perspective, a perspective bigger than basketball? Mental illness in general is a serious problem. I know there's a lot of people from a lot of different countries on these forums, so I can't speak for you, but in the united states; I feel like the topic of mental illness just gets swept under the rug. We've had so many shootings in our country, tons of which are related to mental problems, except no one addresses the topic. People point their fingers and blame everything else. Blame video games, blame movies, etc. The fact is the system is broken and there just isn't enough support for those with mental illness in our country.

Now I know the mentioning of shootings is a far larger problem than this back and forth between Royce White and the Rockets, but I think that's kind of the point that White is trying to get across at this point. I think Royce wants to play basketball, but I'm starting to get the impression that he'd rather address the lack of protocol for those with mental illness in the NBA. I'm seriously starting to think that he'd get more pleasure out of helping install a system to prevent situations like this in the future than have a career as a player.

I don't know if it's true or not, but from what I've read; there isn't enough medical involvement with the team. This isn't a situation for the GM or a coach to handle. This is something that needs to be dealt with by medical professionals.

That's just my opinion.

It's an unfortunate situation for both Royce White and the Rockets, but hopefully some good will come out of it eventually.
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:15 am

The latest, for those who haven't seen it: Rockets suspend F Royce White.
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby Brawn Shadley on Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:04 am

airBerlin wrote:I think Royce wants to play basketball, but I'm starting to get the impression that he'd rather address the lack of protocol for those with mental illness in the NBA. I'm seriously starting to think that he'd get more pleasure out of helping install a system to prevent situations like this in the future than have a career as a player.

He sure has a bad way of doing it by not fulfilling his contractual obligations to the team, a contract that he willingly agreed to.

airBerlin wrote:I don't know if it's true or not, but from what I've read; there isn't enough medical involvement with the team. This isn't a situation for the GM or a coach to handle. This is something that needs to be dealt with by medical professionals.

Hard for medical involvement to be present when Royce White does not want to meet the medical professional the Rockets picked to be assigned to him which he agreed to as a condition of signing that contract with the Rockets.
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby airBerlin on Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:52 am

shadowgrin wrote:
airBerlin wrote:I think Royce wants to play basketball, but I'm starting to get the impression that he'd rather address the lack of protocol for those with mental illness in the NBA. I'm seriously starting to think that he'd get more pleasure out of helping install a system to prevent situations like this in the future than have a career as a player.

He sure has a bad way of doing it by not fulfilling his contractual obligations to the team, a contract that he willingly agreed to.


Like i said, I don't know the details nor do I know what areas Royce White feels like the organization has failed to deliver on. I don't think anyone on these forums knows exactly what was included in his contract.
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby Brawn Shadley on Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:58 pm

airBerlin wrote:I don't think anyone on these forums knows exactly what was included in his contract.

iirc earlier reports when the issue popped up and when Royce started ranting on Twitter.
Of course no one exactly knows except between Royce and his people and the Rockets. If we're going with that then this thread will be mostly based on reports, opinions, and assumptions making this thread as useful as discussing if Jeremy Lin is Asian.
Same way people are discussing about the Lakers troubles in the Lakers thread, what's the point of it since none of us are in the team?
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby airBerlin on Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:48 am

You're right, someone lock this thread.

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I don't know, I think there is plenty to talk about. I just get annoyed when people immediately jump to one side without knowing anything about the situation. I get even more annoyed when they then proceed to bash the opposing side.
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby Mark. on Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:37 am

I agree with airBerlin that there is definitely a larger issue of mental illness in sports to consider. But if we are talking about White's situation in particular, I don't think he has gone the right way about trying to promote awareness at all.

As shadowgrim mentioned, if there are provisions in his contract that were meant to help him address these issues, or at least aid in that cause, and he agreed to said contract implying he was happy with the provisions, then why is he backing away from it now. Rather than making seem like he in championing a cause, it makes him seem like a spoiled brat, and seeing how many professional athletes have been acting lately it would be no surprise that he gets very little sympathy.

So yeah my view in summary is: important issue/cause however White has handled it in the completely wrong manner.
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:49 am

The podcast is out now with our thoughts, so we invite you to check it out here:
http://www.nba-live.com/nlsc-podcast-episode-12/
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby Brawn Shadley on Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:41 am

I'm 'bashing' Royce White because while his intention of what he's fighting for is good he's doing a stupid way of trying to achieve it. How can he demand better workplace protocols for mental health when he hasn't even spent enough time going to work. That's like a person who hasn't spent a week in work and yet he's already going on strike for better pay and benefits.
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby Qballer on Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:10 pm

^he could just auction off his championship ring for mental health charity like metta world peace did.
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Re: Pre-Podcast Discussion: Royce White

Postby benji on Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:39 pm

Where's he going to get a championship ring?
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Re: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:40 am

White has been reinstated and is reporting to the D-League. Poorly handled as the whole situation has been by his camp, hopefully they can put the whole mess behind them and make a fresh start.
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Re: Royce White

Postby daninoz on Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:08 am

He's playing today in the D-League. You can watch the full game live on youtube:

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Re: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:30 pm

Promising steps as far as his NBA career is concerned.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:38 am

Just when you thought it was over... Royce White: NBA, Rockets ‘want me gone’
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Re: Royce White

Postby bowdown on Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:13 pm

Jesus mother of a butt fucking Christ. Is this guy not getting tired of tooting his own damn horn? Seriously. Just.....stop....talking....Is he not smart enough to see he is just being a prick and not helping anything?
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Re: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:20 pm

Well, he does have an assortment of psychological problems, but once again that's all the more reason for the people looking out for him to reign him in and encourage him to think before he makes these pronouncements. He's not doing himself or his cause any favours.
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Re: Royce White

Postby benji on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:27 pm

I didn't watch the interview but I don't see a single thing from him in the quote to justify calling him a "prick" or to blame him for anything. Let alone anything he said being blatantly wrong despite how dumb he seems to be. (Even the HBO excerpts quoted are just him giving a favorable one-sided take on the position.)

If you think the NBA gives a shit about any kind of mental health or even legitimate substance abuse situations, you haven't been paying attention.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Brawn Shadley on Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:19 pm

bowdown wrote:Jesus mother of a butt fucking Christ. Is this guy not getting tired of tooting his own damn horn? Seriously. Just.....stop....talking....Is he not smart enough to see he is just being a prick and not helping anything?

Why should he.
You once said yourself you believe he's a sociopath.
Sociopaths don't care what others think or say so why should he care about what the Rockets or others say he should do.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Stress Fracture on Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:15 pm

Drafting him is the worst move the franchise did since not re-signing Von Wafer. Damn.
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Re: Royce White

Postby bowdown on Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:06 am

shadowgrin wrote:
bowdown wrote:Jesus mother of a butt fucking Christ. Is this guy not getting tired of tooting his own damn horn? Seriously. Just.....stop....talking....Is he not smart enough to see he is just being a prick and not helping anything?

Why should he.
You once said yourself you believe he's a sociopath.
Sociopaths don't care what others think or say so why should he care about what the Rockets or others say he should do.

Youre on that troll train once again but Ill still indulge you.

It is just hard for a normal person like me to grip my mind around the actions of a sociopath. Even if I am aware of it. Regardless of if he is a sociopath or not, Im guessing he should atleast have the intelligence to realize he is doing more harm to his selfish cause by talking so much shit.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:56 am

Given his issues, that might not be a reasonable expectation. Again though, you'd expect the people he has around to support him to be exercising better judgement (or at least you'd hope so).
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Re: Royce White

Postby Brawn Shadley on Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:20 am

bowdown wrote:It is just hard for a normal person like me to grip my mind around the actions of a sociopath.

lol, how do you know you're a normal person?

bowdown wrote:Im guessing he should atleast have the intelligence to realize he is doing more harm to his selfish cause by talking so much shit.

Then you completely miss the point of mental illness then.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:03 am

Rockets rookie Royce White slated to return to D-League team after leaving it without permission

To his credit, he called it a "miscommunication" on Twitter and thanked the Vipers for their understanding, rather than claiming there was another plot against him. It still seems like he needs to be surrounded by better advisers.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Brawn Shadley on Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:26 am

So Royce White is now the Sixers problem.
Got traded to the Sixers whose GM formerly worked for the Rockets.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Sauru on Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:13 pm

lol everyone keeps trading their damaged goods to the 76ers
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Re: Royce White

Postby Brawn Shadley on Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:35 pm

Fuck you Sauru, fuck you. Hope you enjoy Rondo missing FTs as the Celtics only reliable offensive play and the Celtics missing out on the top pick as they ride the tank.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Sauru on Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:41 pm

if the Celtics don't get the top pick I will just claim the entire lottery is rigged
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Postby NovU on Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:45 pm

If the Celtics somehow gets the top pick, I will declare myself a true Celtics fan.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:11 pm

A brand new organisation to blame!

Hopefully, he can continue to deal with his issues, promote his cause and if he's truly interested in doing so, resurrect his basketball career. I still think he needs some more level-headed people looking out for him and advising him on how to handle these situations and disputes. The finger-pointing doesn't do him or his cause any favours.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Stress Fracture on Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:13 pm

I hope he gets used out there in Philly. Outside of Hawes and Kwame, they don't have that inside presence.
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Re: Royce White

Postby stereoxide on Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:09 am

Stress Fracture wrote:I hope he gets used out there in Philly. Outside of Hawes and Kwame, they don't have that inside presence.

Noel is crying with your statement. If he gets healthy then they got three.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Stress Fracture on Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:14 am

I didn't include Noel because he won't start training camp healthy, unlike Royce.
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Postby Brawn Shadley on Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:17 am

Fuck you assholes fuck you. I hope Rockets and Lakers meet in the playoffs and the Lakers sweep them off.
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Postby Stress Fracture on Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:19 am

#BeWell friend....
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Re: Royce White

Postby stereoxide on Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:21 am

Well that's a lot of misery given by Dwight Howard to a man.
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Postby Brawn Shadley on Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:24 am

Fuck Dwight. I can't stand these Sixers hating and mocking.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Stress Fracture on Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:27 am

No one's hating Philly here. I guess they got a steal, unless Royce starts up acting bad again......
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Re: Royce White

Postby deihatein on Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:45 am

shadowgrin wrote:Fuck Dwight. I can't stand these Sixers hating and mocking.


I hope it continues, you have been firing shots at me at Steam. Time for some payback!
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Re: Royce White

Postby Sauru on Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:30 am

shadowgrin wrote:Fuck you assholes fuck you. I hope Rockets and Lakers meet in the playoffs and the Lakers sweep them off.



i would be ok with that if the lakers lost in round 2. hell i would love to see that.
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Re: Royce White

Postby NovU on Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:22 pm

Gents please. I see more shadow's F-bombs than actual talk on Royce White.
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Postby SoF'nAwesome on Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:42 pm

"Royce White will fly, but that really isn't the issue".
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Re: Royce White

Postby Spree#8 on Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:44 pm

The Rockets reportedly sent the money to pay off White's contract to Philly. The Sixers did this trade because they wanted the rights to Furkan Aldemir - whoever he is - which were also included. Now, don't pick up his option for 14/15 and he's outta here next July.

We'll probably have a player who doesn't play a single game for the second consecutive season! This time at least we didn't give anything up for him and... well, the Sixers have to hit the salary and players number minimum somehow. It'd better be players who won't stop the tank and I don't see a better way to tank than not even playing at all. This is a great trade.
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Postby Stress Fracture on Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:36 pm

Who knows, he might really play this season.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Jackal on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:11 pm

Well..

Royce White is ready to play in the NBA, probably for the Philadelphia 76ers, once the trade from Houston becomes official. But making 100 plane flights during a season? "Hell no," the former Iowa State basketball star said after playing for the Walnut Creek YMCA Wednesday night in the YMCA Capital City League at Valley Southwoods Freshman High School. "One hundred flights would be like if you're allergic to peanut butter – it'd be like spreading your whole body with it."
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Re: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:18 pm

Well, he's on a decent salary. He should be able to afford coach fare.

Presumably the Sixers will be looking to make similar arrangements to the ones that the Rockets were reportedly willing to set up. White just has to meet them halfway.
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Re: Royce White

Postby Jackal on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:32 pm

Well..

“I don’t see that going to another team would help anything because no matter what team I go to a protocol is still going to need to be put in place,” he said. “It’s a league thing. The reality is that it is not Houston’s fault.

“I don’t really think going to another team is something that would be better. And it’s not something that I want to do. I want to play for Houston.”
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Re: Royce White

Postby Andrew on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:34 pm

Yeah, I guess we'll wait and see.
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