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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:07 pm

lol Look at the douche on the bench
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby rise on Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:54 pm

bowdown wrote:lol Look at the douche on the bench
LOL. I can't believe Robert Sacre is actually playing minutes in the league. Tells you how shallow the Lakers frontcourt is.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Qballer on Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:04 pm

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still it's very early but WTF

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that ended pretty quickly :lol:
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:37 pm

benji wrote:DECIMATED

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Celebrated that one a little too early.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:18 pm

Emotional moment from tonight's game

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby RedPhazon8 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:53 pm

bowdown wrote:Emotional moment from tonight's game

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It was good to see that. (Y)
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:02 pm

BTW guys, isnt it crazy that not only did Lebron take his scrub Cavs team to the Finals one year, they never lost in the first round during the entire duration of Lebron's stay?

When Kobe didnt have Shaq even he lost in the first round twice and didnt even make the playoffs one year.

Lebron's best teammate ever was Mo Williams. Personally, Lebron is a better basketball player than Kobe in my eyes. You can argue about better individual skill all you want but when it comes to carrying your teammates and getting everybody involved at the same time, Lebron is the guy. If any of you had a chance to play either on Kobe's team or Lebron's team, who would you pick? I would pick Lebron because not only is he capable of carrying the whole team to success, he has a great way of getting others involved and they feed off him very well. When playing with Kobe it is mostly just stand and watch him hoist up shots.

PS: yeah I know Lebron didnt make the playoffs the first two years in the league but he was developing still.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Kenny on Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:21 pm

I think in one of the threads somewhere, I argued Kobe over LeBron, but I have a tendency to agree with you now. LeBron brought out the best in that Cavs team. Kobe had Shaq, Gasol, Bynum and is now underachieving with Dwight Howard. Even Ron Artest... sorry, Metta World Peace was probably better help than LeBron ever had on his Cavs team.

Anyway, the Nuggets are continuing to be impossible to pick. Hopefully when they get more home games, they can get over .500. Today also saw this play from JaVale McGee:

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby koberulz on Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:32 pm

Goaltend.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Kenny on Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:34 pm

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Pdub on Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:53 pm

I believe that counts as a steal.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Martti. on Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:34 am

He got a block and a rebound for that.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Pdub on Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:51 am

Really? That's some nice incentive for grabbing a shot out of air.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:23 am

That is a great block. Right at its peak. Unlike many of Dwight Howard's goaltends. And you wont believe NBA.com didnt even have this in their top 10 lasst night. They put a lame Dwight Howard help defense goaltend in the list but not this in your face grab out of mid air.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:43 pm

Looks legal to me too, though it's very close. A lot of times that will be called a goaltend because it isn't expected a player to be able to get up that high, but an athlete like McGee will get up there and make the legal block from time to time. Very impressive.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby kevin02 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:01 pm

I can't watch Cavs games anymore... I'm only 16 but I'm going to die of a heart attack, if I keep watching us lose games like this.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Sun Dec 16, 2012 3:25 pm

Andrew wrote:Looks legal to me too, though it's very close. A lot of times that will be called a goaltend because it isn't expected a player to be able to get up that high, but an athlete like McGee will get up there and make the legal block from time to time. Very impressive.

Agreed. Very very close though. Wouldn't have complained too much if the call went the other way.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:43 pm

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby rise on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:58 pm

So Nicolas Batum became the first player to record a 5/5/5/5/5 game since AK47 did it 6+ years ago.

One week after I created a thread on realGM asking who they thought would be the next player to record a 5/5/5/5/5. I am psychic.

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby benji on Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:08 pm

rise wrote:One week after I created a thread on realGM asking who they thought would be the next player to record a 5/5/5/5/5.

Why didn't you create one here CHA_77_Traitorcats? :scold:

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby rise on Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:17 pm

lol

I'm pretty sure I actually did create a similar thread some time back.

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http://forums.nba-live.com/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=81975&hilit=quadruple+double
It was only one quadruple doubles though.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Mon Dec 17, 2012 10:48 pm

Well... that's nice to know, traitorcats fan. I am no Contributor or anything but I've never been no sell out either... even all these years of enduring(on-going) devastating blows to my Heat pride here.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby velvet bliss on Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:55 pm

NovU wrote:devastating blows to my Heat.

You sure like to blow 'em.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Lamrock on Tue Dec 18, 2012 2:25 am

Great to see Batum with the 5x5 and Lillard's game winner. It was at home against the Hornets and all but while I have no illusions that this team will sniff the playoffs, they've been a lot of fun to watch.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby stereoxide on Tue Dec 18, 2012 12:19 pm

Wow the Rockets really taking it to the Knicks at MSG. Going for 2-0 against NYK for the season.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby benji on Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:36 pm

I'll say what we're all thinking: Who the fuck is Chris Copeland?
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Tue Dec 18, 2012 1:50 pm

28 year old Rookie? Drop Alan Anderson(TOR) for him, fantasy team?
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Qballer on Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:53 pm

bowdown wrote:That is a great block. Right at its peak.

everybody nowadays thinks it's cool to swat it into the 15th row. that doesn't give your team possession. what a waste.
stereoxide wrote:Wow the Rockets really taking it to the Knicks at MSG. Going for 2-0 against NYK for the season.

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:40 am

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bowdown wrote:That is a great block. Right at its peak.

everybody nowadays thinks it's cool to swat it into the 15th row. that doesn't give your team possession. what a waste.


Id say it is easier said that done man. Im pretty tall and in a game even though it looks like you blocked someone easily, it isnt as easy to actually catch the ball in the process. In order to catch the ball, you have to be sure that the ball will be exactly where you think it is going to be. During a fast paced game when I jump for a block, I dont exactly know when the guy is going to release the ball, neither do I know if he is going to twist his arms to avoid me. You just wait till the last moment and swat at the ball as soon as you see it available to be blocked. In McGee's case, dude is so athletic and Randolph so un-athletic that it was a no brainer to catch that thing.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Qballer on Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:29 am

but at times when people like dwight actually beat the ball to the spot and choose to swat it out instead of catching it or hitting towards a teammate, it seems like a waste to not be able to go for it like Russell used to do
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Wed Dec 19, 2012 11:59 am

yeah some guys like Dwight should catch it.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby dei. on Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:16 pm

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby rise on Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:18 pm

Gerald Henderson turned Dwight Howard into Timofey Mozgov for a second. :shock:
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:36 pm

I love Candien Barneys without Bargnani. This team is showing some toughness and teamwork.

Qballer wrote:but at times when people like dwight actually beat the ball to the spot and choose to swat it out instead of catching it or hitting towards a teammate, it seems like a waste to not be able to go for it like Russell used to do

bowdown wrote:yeah some guys like Dwight should catch it.

Easier said than done. A lot of Howard's blocks come from swift arm movement and I don't think catching it/redirecting is that easy at such speed and moment. Many of his blocks would end up goaltend if he tried too much of those stuff.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby benji on Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:49 pm

That's a top ten video, it's going to show "spectacular" highlight blocks not Tim Duncan/Bill Russell tip to teammates/barely leave your feet/etc. routine ones.

On four of the first five alone you can tell he's just trying to swat it as hard as he can.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby dei. on Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:13 pm

NovU wrote:As for McGee's block, I find it amazing and it is something we probably won't see from somebody else for a long time.


This one we won't be seeing for a long while.

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:44 am

Early dunk of the year candidate from Henderson there. Wow.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Phil89 on Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:03 pm

Durant on fire today. 41 points, 13 rebounds against the Hawks. 18 points just in the fourth quarter.

12 straight wins for the Thunder now and they're pulling a little gap at the top of the west.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby hova- on Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:19 am

I remember I read about a stat which said how many of the blocks go to a team mate and how many out of bounds. Tim Duncan was like the best shot blocker in this case because most of his blocks go to a team mate.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:15 pm

hova- wrote:I remember I read about a stat which said how many of the blocks go to a team mate and how many out of bounds. Tim Duncan was like the best shot blocker in this case because most of his blocks go to a team mate.

He is a very clever shot blocker that doesnt rely on his athleticism but just his large body and arms. Ive seen him, he may not look super strong but he is an incredible presence and when guys try to score on him in the paint, he just stands his ground and bats at the ball, before the ball is barely released most of the times. This video is perfect example of his blocks.

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby benji on Sat Dec 22, 2012 2:12 pm

hova- wrote:I remember I read about a stat which said how many of the blocks go to a team mate and how many out of bounds. Tim Duncan was like the best shot blocker in this case because most of his blocks go to a team mate.

This is from 2006 (and the original isn't online anymore):
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Rim shaking slam dunks may be the most popular of all highlights, but a ferocious block is also very appealing to your typical mainstream NBA fan. Indeed it seems the most beloved of all blocked shots are the ones that get sent fifteen rows into the stands…now that’s being rejected.

Of course, there’s one small problem with the grand display of a block into the seats: it gives the ball right back to the offense.

ntimidation of future shots perhaps, some loss of time on the shot clock, yes, but all in all not that successful a play for the defense unless the shot looked likely to go in otherwise.

So that’s the difference perhaps between the young up and coming shot-swatter and the less flashy but wily veteran defensive presence: the block is only the first step.

Leading Shot Blockers in lowest “blocked out of bounds” percentage
(2005-06 Regular Season)

Player Team Blks Sent
O/B OB%
Bosh TOR 74 0 0.0%
Ratliff POR 88 3 3.4%
Harrison IND 58 2 3.4%
Brown NOK 50 2 4.0%
Mutombo HOU 56 3 5.4%
Najera DEN 34 2 5.9%
Ely CHA 44 3 6.8%
Mihm LAL 72 5 6.9%
Sweetney CHI 56 4 7.1%
Swift SEA 56 4 7.1%
Mourning MIA 172 13 7.6%
O'Neal IND 117 9 7.7%
Miles POR 39 3 7.7%
Milicic ORL 61 5 8.2%
Gasol MEM 151 13 8.6%
League Average 15.7%

It’s a pretty compelling metric when among the top fifteen players you have such notable block kings as Ratliff, Mutombo, Mourning, and Shaq. These players have been around long enough that they’re not worried about making the highlights, just doing the job! It’s also promising that some of the shot blocking stars of a few years from now like Bosh, Harrison, and Milicic are also already getting the hang of making a block that stays in play.

At the other end of the spectrum…

Highest percentage of Blocks Sent Out of Bounds
Player Team Blks Sent
O/B OB%
Gadzuric MIL 43 14 32.6%
Pachulia ATL 39 12 30.8%
Anthony DEN 42 12 28.6%
McDyess DET 48 13 27.1%
Diogu GSW 30 8 26.7%
West BOS 46 12 26.1%
Thomas PHO 54 14 25.9%
Bonner TOR 31 8 25.8%
Horry SAS 51 13 25.5%
Pierce BOS 34 8 23.5%
Johnson ATL 31 7 22.6%
Ruffin WAS 31 7 22.6%
Blount BOS 36 8 22.2%
Howard ORL 114 25 21.9%
Livingston LAC 32 7 21.9%

Now it’s a little unfair to chide players for blocking the ball out of bounds when we’re not adjusting for context. Certainly a block from behind on the fast break may have a higher likelihood of heading off the court then a floater approaching the hoop with the big man waiting underneath.

Still, young players like Carmelo, Joe Johnson, and Dwight Howard may over time settle more often for the smart play over the spectacular play.

The team defensive rebound percentage after a block could be argued to be the more important measure.

Defensive Rebound % off a Block
Player Team Blks Off Reb. Def. Reb%
Harrison IND 58 14 75.9%
Brown NOK 50 13 74.0%
Bosh TOR 74 20 73.0%
Sweetney CHI 56 16 71.4%
Najera DEN 34 10 70.6%
Curry NYK 56 17 69.6%
Granger IND 62 19 69.4%
Childress ATL 39 12 69.2%
Miles POR 39 12 69.2%
Outlaw POR 45 14 68.9%
Ilgauskas CLE 136 43 68.4%
Kirilenko UTA 220 70 68.2%
Mihm LAL 72 23 68.1%
Deng CHI 50 16 68.0%
Griffin MIN 148 48 67.6%
Mohammed SAS 49 16 67.3%
Jones PHO 49 16 67.3%
Gooden CLE 49 16 67.3%
Milicic ORL 61 20 67.2%
Marion PHO 136 45 66.9%
Dalembert PHI 160 53 66.9%
League Average 61.3%

The shot blocker’s “defensive rebound percentage” clearly relies on his teammates to some degree, but give a shout out to David Harrison for leading the league last season.

The players whose blocks were least often recovered by the defense:

Player Team Blks Off Reb. Def. Reb%
Blount MIN 40 23 42.5%
West BOS 46 24 47.8%
Swift HOU 50 26 48.0%
Bonner TOR 31 16 48.4%
Ruffin WAS 31 16 48.4%
Gadzuric MIL 43 22 48.8%
Blount BOS 36 18 50.0%
Brezec CHA 32 16 50.0%
Petro SEA 51 25 51.0%
Collison SEA 35 17 51.4%
Howard ORL 114 55 51.8%
Thomas PHO 54 26 51.9%
Lewis SEA 50 24 52.0%
Jefferson BOS 46 22 52.2%
Anthony DEN 42 20 52.4%

Mark Blount stands out in this chart since he played for two different teams last year, and as we’ve elected to show the stats by specific team in such cases, he makes the list twice. At the same time, the fact that three Seattle players are in the bottom fifteen suggests that there may be a pretty strong team influence at work here.

For one more quirky look to close, we’ll scan which players not only make the block but collect the rebound themselves with the highest frequency.

Player Team Blks Gets Reb. Own Reb%
Elson DEN 45 11 24.4%
Duncan SAS 162 35 21.6%
Sweetney CHI 56 12 21.4%
Frye NYK 47 10 21.3%
Jackson IND 43 9 20.9%
Marshall CLE 40 8 20.0%
Walker MIA 30 6 20.0%
Webber PHI 62 12 19.4%
Biedrins GSW 47 9 19.1%
Marion PHO 136 26 19.1%
League Average 11.8%

With a multi-year study we could get to whether the rebound opportunities are truly a function of the blocker’s skill, a product of the shot type and circumstance, or primarily a team level issue. In the meantime though we can assume that yes a block is great, but a block followed by a defensive rebound is even better.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby hova- on Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:42 am

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hova- wrote:I remember I read about a stat which said how many of the blocks go to a team mate and how many out of bounds. Tim Duncan was like the best shot blocker in this case because most of his blocks go to a team mate.

He is a very clever shot blocker that doesnt rely on his athleticism but just his large body and arms. Ive seen him, he may not look super strong but he is an incredible presence and when guys try to score on him in the paint, he just stands his ground and bats at the ball, before the ball is barely released most of the times. This video is perfect example of his blocks.

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Definitely a good example but Randolph also is one of the most blocked player inside (no proof just what I could imagine). But you're right. He has a good coordination and does not have to jump a lot for blocks.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby koberulz on Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:51 am

hova- wrote:Randolph also is one of the most blocked player inside (no proof just what I could imagine).

Interesting fact: basketballs aren't spheres, they're actually cubes. They just look spherical due to the distortion of the force-field around the court that stops anyone from the crowd rushing the floor.

I have no proof of this, I just felt I could assert it and get away with that.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby velvet bliss on Mon Dec 24, 2012 5:27 pm

Spurs set a new franchise record for three-pointers made. Spoils Dirk's return.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Tue Dec 25, 2012 6:02 am

It's nice to see Dirk back. Thought he was week or two away from returning. Early Christmas present for hoop fans.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:43 am

With Dirk back though is OJ Mayo going to have the green light he needs to be as good as he has been? They shoiuld let him be like Jason Terry imo because I dont think he can help the team as much by being too restricted by the offense.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:55 am

For a moment, I thought Russell Thugsbrook was gonna punch Wade/Battier to retaliate for a very clean foul committed against him.
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Postby bowdown on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:06 pm

Yeah that was the fastest I have seen someone snap out of a fit of rage.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby formyhunny on Wed Dec 26, 2012 1:55 pm

I really hate these NBA Christmas jerseys....
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