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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby stereoxide on Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:48 pm

Classic JaVale. :lol: :lol:
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Spree#8 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:08 pm

ET with the game winner in overtime after sucking for pretty much all of 4th quarter and overtime before that shot. It didn't help Jrue was fouled out. Take that, Celtics.

Wonder how badly we'll lose tomorrow.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby S_Brat on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:38 pm

i find it ridiculous how much the refs favor the home team in this sport..... you never see this bull crap in the nfl..... two fricken games in a row... frustrates me
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Spree#8 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:52 pm

Not so much in Philly-Boston game. Just like every Philly-Boston game, the Celtics were all over the Sixers on defense and then you have touch or phantom fouls on the other end. However, the Sixers shot more free throws (1 more, to be exact). No idea when was the last time that happened.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Phil89 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:55 pm

Westbrook with 27 points and 5 assists at half time against the Lakers. 5-7 from 3pt.

Love it when he's on his game like this. :bowdown2:
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Kenny on Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:32 pm

JaVale had an awesome game (even with that hilarious blunder). 20 points off 9/9 shooting. The four Nuggets bench players outscored the starting 5.

EDIT: 3 of them actually. Jordan Hamilton didn't score any points.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby velvet bliss on Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:06 pm

Andrew wrote:While I understand that point of view and can't entirely disagree - if you don't want a weakness being exploited, do what you can to eliminate or minimise that weakness - it doesn't change the fact that it's not playing the game as intended, quickly and deliberately committing an infraction on every play outside of a stop-the-clock crunch time situation.

Not practicing/making your FTs can be considered not playing the game as intended either.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby JaoSming on Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:42 pm

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Dc311 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:28 am

Nothing spectacular but sill cool to see him doing this.


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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

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I've probably watched this about 30 times since yesterday. :lol:
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:28 pm

McGee's blunder is a fine example of trying to do too much outside of your strengths. He may fancy himself as having Magic Johnson-like abilities and tendencies, but I think the rest of us would respectfully disagree.

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Andrew wrote:While I understand that point of view and can't entirely disagree - if you don't want a weakness being exploited, do what you can to eliminate or minimise that weakness - it doesn't change the fact that it's not playing the game as intended, quickly and deliberately committing an infraction on every play outside of a stop-the-clock crunch time situation.

Not practicing/making your FTs can be considered not playing the game as intended either.


An inability to make free throws points to lack of skill and possibly a lack of dedication to one's craft. Not making your free throws doesn't mean you aren't playing the game properly, it just means you're not playing it (or at least one particular facet of it) very well. Not trying to do anything about it suggests a poor work ethic and/or bad practice habits, but again that isn't a case of not playing the game as intended. It's definitely not the same as constantly and immediately fouling a player without the ball, who may not be anywhere near the play, in order to turn the game into a free throw derby.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Dc311 on Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:13 pm

This is from last nights game against the Rockets.I forget that he can do this.



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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:16 pm

Andrew wrote:
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Andrew wrote:While I understand that point of view and can't entirely disagree - if you don't want a weakness being exploited, do what you can to eliminate or minimise that weakness - it doesn't change the fact that it's not playing the game as intended, quickly and deliberately committing an infraction on every play outside of a stop-the-clock crunch time situation.

Not practicing/making your FTs can be considered not playing the game as intended either.


An inability to make free throws points to lack of skill and possibly a lack of dedication to one's craft. Not making your free throws doesn't mean you aren't playing the game properly, it just means you're not playing it (or at least one particular facet of it) very well. Not trying to do anything about it suggests a poor work ethic and/or bad practice habits, but again that isn't a case of not playing the game as intended. It's definitely not the same as constantly and immediately fouling a player without the ball, who may not be anywhere near the play, in order to turn the game into a free throw derby.

This entire ordeal is only an issue because it's the Lakers. Thousand of players have gone through the same system, and it's not like this is the first time it's being exploited. I would hate it if they now do something about it. Let Dwight Howard alone deal with it, not the rest of the league.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby velvet bliss on Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:47 pm

Andrew wrote:An inability to make free throws points to lack of skill and possibly a lack of dedication to one's craft. Not making your free throws doesn't mean you aren't playing the game properly, it just means you're not playing it (or at least one particular facet of it) very well. Not trying to do anything about it suggests a poor work ethic and/or bad practice habits, but again that isn't a case of not playing the game as intended. It's definitely not the same as constantly and immediately fouling a player without the ball, who may not be anywhere near the play, in order to turn the game into a free throw derby.

Same can be said to hacking an offball player constantly. They are not playing one facet of the game very well (defense) so they can gain possession back faster and execute their offense (lol D'Antoni).
It may not be pretty and what most fans don't want to see but you can't blame the fouling team for taking advantage of a weakness in the opposing team repeatedly.
Rules change, players adjust. Tactics and strategy change, players adjust. That is playing the game as intended. If you really want the game to be played as intended make dribbling illegal, eliminate the shotclock, and bring back the peach baskets instead of rims and nets.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:13 pm

Surprised Bonner didnt get a T on that for putting his ballsack in the air like that. Refs have pretty low tolerance for pull ups on the rim
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:28 pm

shadowgrin wrote:Same can be said to hacking an offball player constantly. They are not playing one facet of the game very well (defense) so they can gain possession back faster and execute their offense (lol D'Antoni).


A cheap tactic that doesn't involve making a play on the ball is not the same as simply not being particularly good at a particular facet of the game, though granted the former may occur as a result of the latter.

shadowgrin wrote:It may not be pretty and what most fans don't want to see but you can't blame the fouling team for taking advantage of a weakness in the opposing team repeatedly.


As long as the rules allow for something, sure, it's a legitimate tactic. I don't like that players can pivot into a defender to draw the foul and then chuck up a shot as the whistle is being blown to get a shooting foul call and free throws, but as long as they're calling the game that way, it's a heads-up move by the offensive player. However, I think that's something that should be a changed, a loophole that should be closed, same as Hack-a-Shaq/Howard/whomever.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:30 pm

I don't see how it's a cheap tactic or a loophole. It's not a guaranteed to work strategy but a risky one. It always has been a part of the game and as grin pointed out, players and teams have always adjusted to the situations. I personally enjoy it and its countering tactics. Even this season, I remember some team doing it to Griffin/Jordan and Clippers, and they punished them for doing it so. All teams been going through it and I don't see how this all of sudden has to be a mega issue to be corrected.

Ultimately, it's Dwight that's handling it miserably, NOT the opposing teams.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby velvet bliss on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:21 pm

Andrew wrote:A cheap tactic that doesn't involve making a play on the ball

It's cheap just because it doesn't involve the ball and gives the fouled player a chance to shoot an open unguarded shot in the game?
Might as well not allow defenders to deny the ball from offball offensive players if not making a play on the ball is considered cheap.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:32 pm

You enjoy seeing poor free throw shooters being immediately fouled away from the ball, bringing the game to a grinding halt for free throws every trip up the floor? To each their own I guess; personally I prefer the game to be a bit more free flowing than that.

It's a cheap tactic because instead of actually playing through the possession and playing defense, you're just immediately fouling away from the ball to send a poor free throw shooter to the line, hoping they'll miss both attempts so that you can get the rebound. The rules currently allow you to do that up until the last two minutes of the quarter, which is the loophole. Criticism for this is nothing new, it hasn't suddenly become an issue that needs to be fixed. They've taken steps to curb it in the past - the aforementioned two minute rule - now they want to curb it further. Fair call, I say.

shadowgrin wrote:It's cheap just because it doesn't involve the ball and gives the fouled player a chance to shoot an open unguarded shot in the game?
Might as well not allow defenders to deny the ball from offball offensive players if not making a play on the ball is considered cheap.


Oh come on, that's a ridiculous comparison. That's not even close to being the same thing and you know it.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby koberulz on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:36 pm

Watched the opening montage in that video, and 99% of those fouls should be no-calls.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby velvet bliss on Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:54 pm

Andrew wrote:You enjoy seeing poor free throw shooters being immediately fouled away from the ball, bringing the game to a grinding halt for free throws every trip up the floor? To each their own I guess; personally I prefer the game to be a bit more free flowing than that.

Nope and I'm sure the coaches of the fouled team don't enjoy it either. Either take out the poor FT shooter, make him learn how to shoot his FTs, or play better defense when the fouling team gets possession of the ball.

Andrew wrote:It's a cheap tactic because instead of actually playing through the possession and playing defense, you're just immediately fouling away from the ball to send a poor free throw shooter to the line, hoping they'll miss both attempts so that you can get the rebound.

Exactly. It's not a guarantee that the FT shooter will miss all the time nor that the fouling team can get the rebound. There's a risk involved so it can't be dismissed as 'cheap'. Also, the fouling team still has to make its own baskets when they have the ball. It's not like the fouled team is completely helpless against the 'cheap' tactic. They can and should make the FTs and they can still play defense to give themselves a chance of getting the W.

Andrew wrote:Oh come on, that's a ridiculous comparison. That's not even close to being the same thing and you know it.

It's as ridiculous as calling something cheap just because it doesn't 'look good' to watch or comparing it to an offensive flop like most shooters do.


I do agree that it slows down the game like how some games crawl near the final minutes with a foulfest to keep the score close but I don't dismiss it as cheap just because it's not aesthetically pleasing. As much as I enjoy seeing a 'free-flowing' game I also enjoy how teams would counter each other's plans in securing the win. If I only wanted to watch a free-flowing game then I'd just watch D-League games instead.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Sun Dec 09, 2012 10:43 pm

I guess at this point, the discussion only needs me to go back to my usual hating.

Andrew wrote:Criticism for this is nothing new, it hasn't suddenly become an issue that needs to be fixed.

Of course but let's not act like this criticism would have arised on a surface this big if it wasn't for one single superstar from the Lakers going 7/18(hence a couple losses), which in my opinion Dwight and his team have to deal with just like all past players/teams did.

Andrew wrote:They've taken steps to curb it in the past - the aforementioned two minute rule - now they want to curb it further. Fair call, I say.

I honestly can't say what's cheaper. The teams that foul intentionally or the league giving superstar player/team a special treatment all of sudden now that it's become a bigger issue. But hey, thx Dwight for going for 7/18 on ft. Future generation can suck all they want and don't need to practice hard from a charity line and still won't have to suffer like Shaq did!

Ultimately I'd rather have Dwight and Lakers handling this in their own power than borrowing the league's hands. I am personally more interested to see what the Lakers are gonna do about this than to see the rule changes. Maybe the Lakers can bring free flowing game back by themselves... or the league does it for them.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Dmastawwe on Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:58 am

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:05 am

shadowgrin wrote:I do agree that it slows down the game like how some games crawl near the final minutes with a foulfest to keep the score close but I don't dismiss it as cheap just because it's not aesthetically pleasing. As much as I enjoy seeing a 'free-flowing' game I also enjoy how teams would counter each other's plans in securing the win. If I only wanted to watch a free-flowing game then I'd just watch D-League games instead.


If we can't agree on the "cheap" description then sure, perhaps "ugly" is a fair and agreeable term.

Even so, that doesn't mean the league shouldn't do something about it. Dribbling out a huge amount of the clock for a 19-18 victory was once a legitimate tactic and in theory, could've been countered by equally legitimate tactics. In reality though, it wasn't great sport, leading to the invention of the shot clock and basketball basically being saved. Now, this isn't quite as drastic or big a threat to the game as that was, don't get me wrong, but I'm fine with the league adopting the stance of "This isn't great basketball, let's do something about it" when it comes to this issue.

NovU wrote:Of course but let's not act like this criticism would have arised on a surface this big if it wasn't for one single superstar from the Lakers going 7/18(hence a couple losses), which in my opinion Dwight and his team have to deal with just like all past players/teams did.


NovU wrote:Ultimately I'd rather have Dwight and Lakers handling this in their own power than borrowing the league's hands. I am personally more interested to see what the Lakers are gonna do about this than to see the rule changes. Maybe the Lakers can bring free flowing game back by themselves... or the league does it for them.


It's not just Howard that's affected or involved though. Of course, he is obviously the most prominent example.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:55 pm

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby hova- on Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:26 pm

I don't agree on anyone saying this is a cheap tactic. Just learn how to shoot freethrows. Heck, I play basketball like every weekend maybe, just for fun at university ... I never shoot freethrows, never practice them, I am not a good shooter, but I guess I'd still hit 30% or more from the line no matter how exhausted I am. Why? Because this is a uncontested shot not far away from the basket.

So every professional basketball player should at least hit 75% from the line with the 25% missing being no concentration, being exhausted or the fans killing you in the arena. That would be okay.

Apart from that, these fouls are ridiculous. You just wrap him off the ball in his own half of the court ... and they call a foul? Sometimes guys get hacked on a layup and there is no call. These fouls should at least be real fouls, making it a bit tougher to go for them.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby velvet bliss on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:56 pm

Andrew wrote:Now, this isn't quite as drastic or big a threat to the game as that was, don't get me wrong, but I'm fine with the league adopting the stance of "This isn't great basketball, let's do something about it" when it comes to this issue.

So you're fine with rewarding poor FT shooters a free pass for not making their shots? Well that is certainly great basketball. If not what solution would you suggest to the hack-a-problem that doesn't give a free pass to the piss poor FT shooters?
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby rise on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:09 am

Andrew wrote:Bobcats president Rod Higgins waives son

That'd be a tough conversation to have.

About damn time. He was literally doing nothing but taking up a roster spot we could've used to sign T-Will, JJ Hickson, Gerald Green, etc. But nope, Higgins had to keep his boy on the team. He had a really good game in a game where both teams were trying to tank last year, but he was probably the worst player in the league last season, and definitely the worst on the team, which included Diop, Carroll, DJ White, Reggie Williams, and Jamario Moon on it. We picked up Jeff Adrien, a 6'7 rebounder, who's been really good in the D-League. We need rebounding help in a bad way. He should be a lot more help than Higgins ever was, particularly since Mullens was benched recently, Thomas was hurt, and Warrick is complete garbage. Considering Dunlap started Diop and Biyombo last game just to try something out, he should have no problem giving Adrien Diop's minutes right away.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:48 pm

hova- wrote:I don't agree on anyone saying this is a cheap tactic. Just learn how to shoot freethrows. Heck, I play basketball like every weekend maybe, just for fun at university ... I never shoot freethrows, never practice them, I am not a good shooter, but I guess I'd still hit 30% or more from the line no matter how exhausted I am. Why? Because this is a uncontested shot not far away from the basket.

So every professional basketball player should at least hit 75% from the line with the 25% missing being no concentration, being exhausted or the fans killing you in the arena. That would be okay.


"Just learn how to shoot free throws" is a grand oversimplification, though. If it were that easy, there wouldn't be any poor free throw shooters. Few players are going to have the complete package and be completely devoid of any weaknesses and yes, that does make them a liability. However, as you go on to note, some of the Hack-a-Shaq fouls are ridiculous, like fouling a guy 50 feet away from the play in his own backcourt. I think that's kinda cheap and doesn't do any good for the sport.

shadowgrin wrote:So you're fine with rewarding poor FT shooters a free pass for not making their shots? Well that is certainly great basketball. If not what solution would you suggest to the hack-a-problem that doesn't give a free pass to the piss poor FT shooters?


Well, I don't think it's great basketball when a player is fouled 50 feet away from the play, in their backcourt, with the defenders not even looking to make a play on the ball, for possession after possession. It seems to me that's rewarding poor defensive teams and giving them a free pass instead, which I don't think is any better.

If you do take away the ability to intentionally foul players without the ball at any point in the game, poor free throw shooters are still a liability. After all:

  1. They can still be intentionally fouled when they do have the ball and thus be forced to make free throws. Similar tactic, but both sides have to step up and actually play the possession. The opponent has to defend after the inbounds pass and if the poor free throw shooter is fouled, he has to make his free throws and not be a liability.

  2. If a player is a liability at the line but he's left in the game anyway, with the likelihood that he's going to get fouled as soon as he touches the ball, he's likely not going to see many (if any) touches. That means his team is basically playing 4-on-5 on offense. No free pass there, especially if he's hanging back from the play.

Alternatively, you could simply bar intentionally fouling a player without the ball in his own backcourt. That way he can always hang back and avoid being put on the line, but once again his team is playing 4-on-5 so leaving him out there is a liability. That's a less drastic solution that eliminates the more ridiculous Hack-a-Shaq fouls while still making it a risk keeping a poor free throw shooter in the game, presumably to take advantage of the things he is actually good at.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:56 pm

Lol. Linsanity erupts again as Harden is sitting out. HOU leading the SAS by 2 after 3rd. Going to be interesting.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:03 pm

Meanwhile, Duncan's having an uncharacteristically off-night shooting the ball.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:08 pm

Yeah. Asik's been good so far.

Very close game. HOU up by 5 but I really don't like how HOU are settling for jumpshots after jumpshots.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:15 pm

Works for me. Nothing against the Rockets, but I picked the Spurs in the daily predictions thread.
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Postby NovU on Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:25 pm

Was very exciting but sloppy plays at the end leads to the OT.

I think the Spurs takes this one. They were attacking well and defending well. That should carry into the OT.
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Postby Dc311 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:51 pm

Tony Parker with his first ever triple double.Hopefully Duncan will have enough in the tank for the back to back against Utah and then Portland.It would not surprise me if Pop sits him in one of those games.
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Postby Phil89 on Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:20 pm

Never understood why players need to touch the ball after free throws. But this is just stupid.

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby benji on Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:44 pm

Superstition.

However in this case, Amir needed to sap the kinetic energy from the ball to continue his dominant basketball and life performance. So the ref was in the wrong to deny him, hopefully he'll get a few months away to think about what he's done.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:35 pm

Amir Johnson probably will not make it to the Hall of Fame, but after that he may be able to claim the weirdest circumstances behind an ejection in NBA history.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:15 pm

Immaturity coupled with frustration, there you have it, Amir Johnson. As long as the Raptors are under BC's control, nobody will wanna play for Canada.

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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:59 pm

T-Mac, spreading that international goodwill.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Pdub on Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:37 am

Good luck with your jumpshot after an elbow to the shoulder like that. :lol:
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Jackal on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:17 am

Andrew wrote:Amir Johnson probably will not make it to the Hall of Fame, but after that he may be able to claim the weirdest circumstances behind an ejection in NBA history.


Nope, that one has to go to Joey Crawford ejecting Duncan for laughing...on the bench.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Cartar on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:36 am

Jackal wrote:
Andrew wrote:Amir Johnson probably will not make it to the Hall of Fame, but after that he may be able to claim the weirdest circumstances behind an ejection in NBA history.


Nope, that one has to go to Joey Crawford ejecting Duncan for laughing...on the bench.


Some other ridiculous ejections
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:51 am

Jackal wrote:
Andrew wrote:Amir Johnson probably will not make it to the Hall of Fame, but after that he may be able to claim the weirdest circumstances behind an ejection in NBA history.


Nope, that one has to go to Joey Crawford ejecting Duncan for laughing...on the bench.


I don't know, that's easily one of the worst ejections we've ever seen, the height of pettiness and stupidity by an official without question. But a player refusing to let go of the ball after a made free throw? That was just bizarre.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby kevin02 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:10 am

Cavaliers vs Kobe right now. The Lakers have no chemistry whatsoever!
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Kenny on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:30 pm

Seeing the Lakers struggle has made it an interesting season to follow. If it wasn't for the Kings, they'd be the worst team in California at the moment.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby NovU on Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:09 pm

Ironically the Kings also suffer from similar reasons. They have talented players but are under performing because of selfishness and horrendous management. Individually, they got players who could shine like a star respectively at their position. For instance, Isaiah Thomas went from ROY candidate to waiver list player overnight. He still shoud see minutes over garbage players like Brooks or Ferdette who are possibly worst PGs in the league.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby bowdown on Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:42 pm

I really wish Raptors would stop sucking. I wanna see them as a solid team. They have sucked for so long, even with Chris Bosh there that I cant help but feel sorry for them. They have had to endure Andrea bargnini for all these years....my god.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby Andrew on Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:06 am

Celtics/Mavericks turned out to be a pretty decent game to watch, going into double OT. The Mavs had a couple of very nice defensive sequences at the end of regulation and the first overtime to force the Celtics into a couple of bad attempts at gamewinners, but they choked in the second overtime when Beaubois made that sloppy pass on the inbounds with five seconds left, letting the Celtics eke it out. Almost another triple double for Rondo.
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Re: NBA Random Discussion 2012-13 Season

Postby benji on Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:58 am

lol at Melo trying to get D'antoni fired Twice

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