Back in May 2011, after Z-Bo had roasted Perk in Game 1 of their Western Conference semifinals playoff series, Perkins refused to agree with teammate Kevin Durant's assessment that Randolph was the best power forward in the league, while Randolph told FoxSports.com's Chris Tomasson that Perkins is "too slow" to guard him and that "all Perk can do is foul me."
If you listen closely, you'll hear Perkins yell across the lane to Randolph, "I'll meet you by the bus," followed by Randolph yelling, "I'll beat your ass." Listen even closer and you will hear the moment the entire basketball-watching world went, "Ohhhhhhh, [EXPLETIVE]."
After the two players were separated, Perkins ran off the court in front of the Thunder bench and into a hallway, where he had another altercation with Randolph outside the postgame interview room next to the Thunder locker room.
The players were separated by Oklahoma City police officers. People in the postgame interview area heard something being slammed against the door.
Security members huddled briefly thereafter to discuss the matter, but no action was taken against either player.
rise wrote:To me, Royce White appears like he's going to give up on the NBA. He just said that he's prepared to walk away from the NBA. Didn't say he was actually leaving, but with that kind of losing attitude, the future isn't pretty for him.
He's so talented, it's a real shame that he probably won't be in the NBA a couple years from now due to his issues.
Spree#8 wrote:Exactly. I've had a bad feeling about this ever since the trade happened in August. It's even worse than Brand since he was a free agent. This time we gave up Iggy, Vucevic and Harkless for this guy and it looks like a lot of time will pass before he even plays a game for the Sixers. After the season he'll get a 100/5 deal and play about 30 games a season averaging something like 14/8, because for 20 of those games he'll be getting back in game rhythm after the injury. This franchise is doomed.
Bynum says he now has swelling and a bone bruise on both knees.
The doctors are saying it's a weakened cartilage state, so we kind of wait, I guess. We can't do anything. I just have to wait for the cartilage to get strong."
"It's the same exact spot (as the right knee) with the cartilage," Bynum said. "Just doing routine things and it started swelling up. No blunt-force injury or anything like that.
rise wrote:Spree#8 wrote:Exactly. I've had a bad feeling about this ever since the trade happened in August. It's even worse than Brand since he was a free agent. This time we gave up Iggy, Vucevic and Harkless for this guy and it looks like a lot of time will pass before he even plays a game for the Sixers. After the season he'll get a 100/5 deal and play about 30 games a season averaging something like 14/8, because for 20 of those games he'll be getting back in game rhythm after the injury. This franchise is doomed.
That's what a lot of people don't understand (going by what RealGMers among others are saying). My stand on that trade was that Philly messed up big time, taking the risk on a very injury-prone player who is very talented when he plays, but his injuries are slow healing off and on the court. Everyone else is like, "it's a risk the Sixers had to take, how often do you get to trade for a 7-footer as talented as him?" But they are going to be stuck with an $80M+ contract over their heads because the market will essentially guarantee he'll get $$$$$$$ regardless of his injury history. This next contract is going to be historically bad. Much much worse than Stoudemire's. The only reason I would trade for Bynum if Philly asked me for Tyrus Thomas and expirings, because he would be off my hands at seasons' end. Unfortunately, the Sixers traded an All-Star and two mid-round prospects for him.
Cartar wrote:The part of the trade I really liked, was that we have a whole year to evaluate if Bynum could be the man for us. Given, if the signs about his health continue to be an issue, then you can whether offer him a lesser of a contract or if he won't budge try to go at another FA, we have close to max salary to offer (if you don't like this years, then you can try to maintain the flexibility for next year). It's not a perfect scenario, but tough luck, at least the management is giving out signals that the main goal is to achieve championship, not just dwindle around the 8th seed year in, year out.
Cartar wrote: If you wanted to build a championship team, would you rather have the 2nd best center in the league or (one of) the best wing defender as your building block? Iguodala is a great player, but he's not a player to build the team on and given the contract situations, it was pretty hard to obtain a guy, who can he be the complimentary player to.
rise wrote: Jrue and Evan Turner may draw the occasional double-team to leave Bynum for easy buckets
Spree#8 wrote:Cartar wrote: If you wanted to build a championship team, would you rather have the 2nd best center in the league or (one of) the best wing defender as your building block? Iguodala is a great player, but he's not a player to build the team on and given the contract situations, it was pretty hard to obtain a guy, who can he be the complimentary player to.
Regardless of what the goal is, I'd rather have the top3 wing defender with some offensive skills who actually plays than the 2nd best center in the league who waits until training camp to start getting treatment on his bad knee and then goes bowling to injure his "healthy" knee. At this pace, it could turn out he never plays a game this season. What do you do? Give him that 100/5 deal? If you don't, you know there will be a moron somewhere in this league who will and you'll lose him, end up trading Iguodala, Vucevic and Harkless for Jason Richardson.
Spree#8 wrote:Like I said, you must be joking about that championship with Bynum as the main guy. We wait until he heals his knees. What do you think will happen next season? And then the next one? I can't believe you people have forgotten this guy is CONSTANTLY injured just because he only missed six games last season. That's why I hated the trade from the very beginning. This was as predictable as it gets. We trade for Bynum, play Kwame Brown at center. Awesome
rise wrote: agree about getting away from the perennial 8th seed, but I really don't think Bynum was the guy you guys should've gone after. I still think the team is good enough without Bynum (or Iguodala) to be solid enough to contend for the 8th seed, but not much more. To me Bynum has negative value as the Sixers' management will be pressured to keep him, given all they gave up to get him. Bynum's going where the money is, that much I am sure of. As an unrestricted FA, the Sixers will have to offer him more than anyone else can. I think letting him walk (or trading him by the deadline) would be the best thing for their FO to do, but considering all they gave up, I'm not sure it'll work that way.
As for Bynum getting you out of 7th-8th seed hell, I was never sold that he could be a consistent 1st option. Jrue and Evan Turner may draw the occasional double-team to leave Bynum for easy buckets, but it won't happen anywhere as often as it did when he had Kobe and Gasol next to him. Your roster when completely healthy, would've been a 4th-5th seed every year, essentially what the Hawks are trying to break free of.
Spree#8 wrote:rise wrote: Jrue and Evan Turner may draw the occasional double-team to leave Bynum for easy buckets
Jrue is already drawing some double teams, but who would be stupid enough to double Turner? He can't shoot for shit and is scoring 11 points per game on 46% TS, he's exactly the guy you want shooting as much as possible if you're the Sixers' opponent. I'm starting to completely lose faith in the guy, the only positives about his game are extraordinary rebounding for a SG and decent defense. Unfortunately, I've never heard of a rebounding-specialist SG having a good career in this league.
Should have taken Favors.
Cartar wrote:I probably would try to get him to a short term deal, definitely not max, if he says no, then goodbye Andrew. Sure, it would suck to look at that trade, but looking it more thoroughly it wouldn't be that bad. Iguodala, just like Bynum, will be a free agent after this year (he has ETO, but I think he will opt out), then you have to decide whether you extend him and try to make it work somehow or go with the same route as with Bynum, with a slightly greater scenario (no Richardson and his contract, instead some cheaper talent).
Cartar wrote:In either cases we would have pretty good financial flexibility, no bad contracts, mostly 1-2 year deals, all moveable. Depending which class do you prefer, you could be player in Free Agency, both in 2013 and/or 2014.
Cartar wrote:Of course you could say that we moved Iguodala in another deal, but he's been on the block for a long-long time and the market wasn't that good, whether you look at what we got - Bynum (more valuable player, huge red flags), or you look at what Denver traded him for - Afflalo (decent player, but not close to turning this franchise around). Or you look at the tons of rumoured deals before, for Kaman or Ellis or Odom etc.
Cartar wrote:Being elite class, championship, perennial ECF - no; the secon tier, having a shot at the championship in the next couple of years - why not, a la how the Orlando was back in 2009, couple of lucky bounces (this includes favourable matchups and/or injuries, e.g. Garnett in 09', Bosh, Howard, Rose in 12') and a little reshaping the team and we could make some noise. It's a long shot, but it's way closer to the trophy than we have been for the past decade (I think we both can relate to that).
Cartar wrote:In hindsight everybody can be a good GM.
Cartar wrote:As for Turners role, he's far from what you would expect from him as the 2nd pick, but I think he's trying to embrace the Iguodala role, if you're not that great of a scorer, you try to influence the game with defense and the little things. Of course, that is a poor man's Iguodala. (I was really hoping him to finally have a breakthrough with Iguodala out of his way, but that hasn't happened)
benji wrote:Cartar wrote:comparing to Atlanta, we have a much much greater financial situation currently in our hands
I suggest you take another look at Atlanta's cap situation.
I agree. I think Martin and Westbrook can help there a little, but a lot of the playmaking left over from Harden's departure will have to come from Durant. I'd like to see him get his previous scoring numbers and get about 4-5 assists a game. I think I can expect that much out of him by the end of the season. He has definitely improved his passing a lot since his first couple years in the league and I think he can improve more.benji wrote:Hollinger suggested it's due to the lack of Harden creating plays. More instances where Durant has to.
Supported by on/off court data from the last couple seasons.
Spree#8 wrote:By the way, can you imagine the market value Brand would have had this February?
shadowgrin wrote:Spree#8 wrote:By the way, can you imagine the market value Brand would have had this February?
Not that much, he's horrible this season judging by his performance with the Mavs even while being given the chance to show what he's really capable of with an injured Dirk Nowitzki and big man that doesn't rebound in Brandan Wright.
Spree#8 wrote:So? Anyone with an expiring $18M contract is very valuable, because every year you have a few teams that want to clear some cap space - it doesn't matter if he sucks. Of course, his contract is no longer in the books, I meant that his trade value would have been huge if the Sixers hadn't amnestied him.
Andrew wrote:Sometimes that's the way it goes early on. Perhaps they are going to be better than most of us expected but they could well come back to Earth and drop down the standings as the season progresses, once other teams start playing a little better and they hit some rough patches (or simply stop overachieving).
The 2004/2005 Utah Jazz are probably a good example of that. They started out the season winning six of their first seven and were 7-3 through their first ten games, comparable to the Bobcats' current record of 6-4, but ultimately finished the season 26-56.
In 1/6 as many games.Nick wrote:Bobcats have almost got as many wins already as they had all last season.
SteveHTOWN wrote:Still it's a hell of an improvement compared to last year when the Cats weren't able to compete with any team in the league. I actually think they are now ways ahead of the Wizards and Pistons in the East, which comes a bit unexpected to me.
NovU wrote:Wasn't too impressed. Thought the Heat were gonna get blown out by what seemed to be Cav's superior offense. Clutch-genes of the Heat(vice-versa for Cavs) saved the day though.
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