Lakers Thread

by **dare** on Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:47 pm

Team Chemistry should not be an issue here, the Mavs have more new players than the Lakers. I can't stand Mike Brown's rotation of players. Using the bench when down by 10 in the 4th? this is not a pre season game.

Also I rather see more pick n roll for Nash, I thought he will be calling the offense but he seems passive the past few games.

YouTube Channel · by **Andrew** on Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:49 pm

by **mrmoves20** on Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:37 pm

The Lakers should keep the ball in Nash's hands more often so he could run picks with Howard and Pau. And they must hit Howard in the low post, Mike Brown is just stupid, why else does he have Dwight and Steve on the team if he's not gonna use them the right way.

by **Pdub** on Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:47 pm

I've always wondered where these coaches come from. Some of the best coaches were players. Anyone know where Mike Brown came from.

YouTube Channel · by **Andrew** on Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:50 pm

He played in college and was a scout and video co-ordinator with the Nuggets early on his career, eventually working his way into the coaching ranks becoming an assistant on Gregg Popovich's staff in San Antonio.

by **Spree#8** on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:03 am

Good luck getting that 73-9 record.

by **NovU** on Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:13 pm

The Lakers look somewhat like the Heat 2 seasons ago at about the same time of the year.

by **dare** on Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:13 pm

And we're 0-2, didn't see what happened to Nash but I hope the injury isn't that serious.

by **graybakflip** on Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:54 pm

So strange to see howard making ft's and leads the team in assists, they have 4/5 future HOF'ers they'll be fine, it's just 2 games guys, good luck :wink:

by **Qballer** on Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:39 pm

yeah he had a stretch where he made like 6-10 in a row

by **Spree#8** on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:21 am

NovU wrote:The Lakers look somewhat like the Heat 2 seasons ago at about the same time of the year.

With some major differences though. The Lakers have an offensive system which wastes most of their talent and are sucking on defense despite having Dwight. The Heat had no offensive concept whatsoever, but played good defense from the start.

Of course they will get it together, but in the meantime... it's not like seeing them lose a few games is unpleasant.

by **SteveHTOWN** on Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:05 pm

(Very) good defenders on the Lakers squad: Dwight, MWP. Average defenders: Pau, Ebanks, Meeks, Hill and Kobe. As said as it it for me to say, Lakers aren't a good defensive team even with Dwight on their roster.
Like Spree#8 already said, Heat were a much better defensive team two years ago...

by **Spree#8** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:13 am

Brown has been consistent in saying Nash has the green light to run whatever offense he wants to run, adding that Nash didn't want to play pick-and-roll because it wears him out.

"It's not that it wears me out," Nash said. "Right now I want to try to get the offense going, get the guys comfortable, get everyone's confidence up. We'll find a happy medium at some time down the road."

Said Brown: "We can say, 'Steve, go play pick-and-roll.'….He did it in Phoenix for a long time. They won a lot of games. It was fun to watch. Where were they in May?"

WOW. You gotta be kidding me.

I want this guy to be the Lakers' coach forever.

YouTube · by **shadowgrin** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 7:01 am

"It's not that it wears me out," Nash said. "Right now I want to try to get the offense going, get the guys comfortable, get everyone's confidence up. We'll find a happy medium at some time down the road.

lol at Nash trying not to step on Kobe's toes. Such a team player.

Qballer wrote:Nash was way more effective holding the ball like he normally does instead of dumpiong it off and standing around the perimeter. it'll take time for them to figure it out

This.
They should do that with the offense they have.
The times Eddie Jordan's implementation of the Princeton offense worked were when he had players that held the ball and knew what to do with it.
Jason Kidd knew to pass the ball while Gilbert Arenas knew to shoot it.

by **Nash_Bryant** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:51 pm

I think they should change this coach because he sucks. I dont know if he can bring the ring in LA.

YouTube Channel · by **Andrew** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:50 pm

While Mike Brown and his insistence on making the Princeton offense work has to share in the blame, so far the Lakers are looking like a really bad fit. Granted, Steve Nash missed the game against the Clippers and much of the game against the Blazers, but it wasn't clicking in the preseason or the season opener, either. It's looking like Kobe's frantically gunning his way up the all-time scoring leaders as he chases Michael Jordan, not really looking to get Gasol and Howard involved. To be fair, he's shooting the lights out so far this season, but the 1.3 assists per game and 5 turnovers per game are well below his abilities. As Pdub noted before, chemistry is lacking.

by **SteveHTOWN** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:02 pm

Aside from the turnovers, you can't put much blame on Kobe for the losses. Lakers bench is just horrible. I very curious where the Lakers will stand in December.

by **Pdub** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:39 pm

Kobe is giving for a reason. He is practicing with those guys every day. Dwight can barely get off the ground to dunk. Gasol hasn't been the same since his breakup. Steve Nash is on his last legs.

On top of that, all those players play well with the ball in there hands. Whether it is Dwight posting up, Gasol playmaking from the high post, Nash on the pick and roll, or Kobe iso, I just don't see them meshing, even though they should be able to. Three old guys and a recovering center piece don't really have time to learn to play with each other. I don't care how long the season is, they need to get it together as soon as possible or it's a constant up hill battle.

by **NovU** on Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:24 pm

On the bright side, the Lakers are playing the lowly Pistons for next game on Sunday. 1-3 isn't too shabby. Still plenty room to lose for historic 73-9 season.

by **Pdub** on Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:13 pm

Nash out for at least a week with a non-displaced fracture in his leg. Must not be a serious crack if he's only out a week or more.

YouTube Channel · by **Andrew** on Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:13 am

SteveHTOWN wrote:Aside from the turnovers, you can't put much blame on Kobe for the losses. Lakers bench is just horrible. I very curious where the Lakers will stand in December.

He has to share in the blame along with everyone else but I certainly wouldn't say that's the only reason or even the main reason. I think it is a sign and a by-product of their lineup being a bad fit, though.

YouTube Channel · by **Andrew** on Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:14 pm

Their skid ends at the expense of the Pistons. Kobe notably only took ten shots and was more of a distributor with the team high eight assists.

by **SteveHTOWN** on Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:08 pm

Lakers frontcourt got it done. Howard is looking better but still seems far away from being 100%. Pistons looked awefull, so anything but a W would've meant even bigger trouble for the Lakers who will be without Nash for about a month.

by **NovU** on Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:51 pm

Any Lakers fans care to offer an insight on these Lakers team? Sorta confused watching tonight's game.

by **dare** on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:05 pm

It's obvious the team doesn't want to play hard with Brown coaching, his going to be fire but we might wait a little longer.

Even Kobe would do as a coach :lol:

YouTube Channel · by **Andrew** on Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:48 pm

I'm surprised whispers of Phil Jackson's name haven't begun yet.

by **Bruce** on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:12 pm

dare wrote:It's obvious the team doesn't want to play hard with Brown coaching, his going to be fire but we might wait a little longer.

Even Kobe would do as a coach

Why stop there? The towel boy could probably do better. Mike Brown sucks!

by **Bruce** on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:20 pm

Andrew wrote:I'm surprised whispers of Phil Jackson's name haven't begun yet.

Me too. But I guess he must have made it abundantly clear to Lakers' management that he doesn't want to. But I guess, if he is even watching the games out there, he'd want to come back just watching the team suffer like this. Given what PJ did in 99'-00' in his first year with the Lakers, it does not seem improbable that PJ has the tools to save the season for the Lakers.

by **SteveHTOWN** on Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:03 pm

According to Jim Buss, he isn't pleased with the current situation. He is still confident with Brown and his work for now.
But it seems that his confidence has an expiry date by the time Lakers would be 1-15.
Still time for Jax to get his hips in shape...

by **Jackal** on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:21 am

What's the point of signing a guy like Meeks and then opting to play Morris over him?

The offense is atrocious to watch, everyone seems out of sync and 7-9 seconds go off the shotclock just getting people in to place then swinging the ball, no one can hit an outside shot to save their life so the defense usually ends up collapsing in the paint & that's basically the offense. Gasol & Howard hold the ball near the three point line for 3-4 seconds waiting for a guard to come get it and then just rush to go get the offensive rebound.

Getting rid of Mike Brown is scary anyways, who do you get to replace him? Mike D'Antoni? Are you kidding me..they should've stuck with Brian Shaw as their coach after Phil's departure. Go teach Kobe & the rest a new system in his final years as a player, marvelous.

by **NovU** on Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:48 pm

Any comments on D? IMO, defense also for some reason looked quite awful. Too many collapses that left somebody open and help D wasn't doing much when penetrated. I only watched last 1.5 quarters tho.

by **Jackal** on Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:49 pm

They are just too slow, Howard doesn't seem to be his old self yet, he's not that dominant presence on the defensive end as you're used to. Against the Jazz Gasol always looks soft, Millsap always comes hard at the Lakers, always. Kobe didn't even bother playing defense, he gets beat quite often and then has a look of scorn towards his teammates & the PG situation is what's always been the case in LA, they just can't keep up with opposing PG's.

They just didn't seem very in to it against the Jazz, from the first quarter on already looking at the refs and berating them whenever they didn't get a call while the Jazz just played ball and built an early double digit lead.

The offense is what hurts to watch. You've got the two best big men and they are playing "hand off the ball" by the three point line. Wtf..

by **dare** on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:35 pm

Breakdown of what supposed to be our offense.

by **Pdub** on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:05 pm

Looks pretty good when they run it correctly. I still think it's going to wear them down.

by **dare** on Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:15 am

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224403/Lakers_Fire_Mike_Brown

I never thought that he will be out so quickly, Kobe's stare might be the deciding factor.

by **Pdub** on Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:23 am

Wow! I even got a message on my phone from the NBA game time app saying that he was fired. He didn't get much of a chance at all. With this squad.

I wonder if they have already talked to a new coach.

by **dare** on Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:52 am

D'Antoni is a candidate for the job. I don't like him though, preferred Sloan and hopefully he wins a COY.

Coincidentally Phil cancelled his show or meeting of some sort, soon after this news broke out. I don't think he will coach ever again due to health issues but it would be fun seeing him again in the bench.

by **SteveHTOWN** on Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:53 am

Saw it on my phone too.
I'd expected them to stick with Brown for at least 5 more games.
What do you guys think who will replace him? Jax, D'Antoni or Sloan?

by **Dc311** on Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:13 am

Larry Brown should be bought out of his college contract and be sent there.

by **NovU** on Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:55 am

Seems like the management did what most Lakers fans wanted them to do promptly. Props to that.

by **buzzy** on Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:57 am

YouTube Channel · by **Andrew** on Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:12 pm

Shaq's analysis:

Did mike brown really get fired. Geeeeez. Dammmmmmmmm Wow Bring on Brian shaw

It's going to be interesting to see if Phil Jackson does return. His health and the way he was rushed out the door by Jim Buss would seem to suggest it's unlikely, yet I don't think it can be ruled out altogether. I don't see Mike D'Antoni as being a much better replacement. On offense, the Lakers will probably have more freedom to do their thing but his system has yielded just as many championships as Mike Brown (and one fewer NBA Finals appearance). Brian Shaw seems a longshot, the Pacers probably aren't too keen to see him leave. How about Jerry Sloan?

by **SteveHTOWN** on Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:54 pm

Sloan was one oth the three coaches that came into my mind when I first heard of Brown's firing. In an interview Chuck also brought up Chuck Person as a possible head coach for the Lakers. I think his inexperience as a head coach is the biggest argument against him. Lakers will go as less risky as possible in that situation.
What about Stan Van Gundy? He's experienced and he and Howard came along so well... :lol:

by **benji** on Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:34 am

Adrian Wojnarowski: As Lakers meet w/ Phil Jackson today, they've declined meetings w/ any other candidates, source says. "They're all in on Phil," source says.

Mike Bresnahan: The Lakers have not contacted Mike D'Antoni, The Times has learned, increasing the already strong chances of the return of Phil Jackson.

Phil Jackson has emerged as the clear leading candidate to be the Lakers' next coach, and two people connected to the 11-time champion coach told CBSSports.com Saturday that all indications point to Jackson wanting the job. "Phil wants it," one of the people with ties to Jackson said.

by **Jackal** on Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:58 am

Sloan wouldnt be a good fit, imo. He's much too demanding as a coach, way too strict.

Bring on Jackson. Giggle. NOT Mike D'Antoni..

by **dare** on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:21 am

Do you guys think this was planned much earlier even before Brown's firing? I mean they won't fire a coach if they don't have someone much greater to replace.

by **air gordon** on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:24 am

Too demanding? lol. Can Doug moe be reanimated?

Yeah since Bryant was making death stares, management started making calls

Van gundy would be great for this team

by **SteveHTOWN** on Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:09 pm

dare wrote:Do you guys think this was planned much earlier even before Brown's firing? I mean they won't fire a coach if they don't have someone much greater to replace.

From reading this article I'd say they were in contact with Phil all the time.

YouTube Channel · by **Andrew** on Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:08 am

SteveHTOWN wrote:
dare wrote:Do you guys think this was planned much earlier even before Brown's firing? I mean they won't fire a coach if they don't have someone much greater to replace.

From reading this article I'd say they were in contact with Phil all the time.

It seems likely. Otherwise, it's a bold move to make so early in the season, without anyone else lined up to take the job.

Sounds like it's Jax's job to take or turn down. Woj suggests it might not turn out so great, though.

by **Bruce** on Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:19 pm

I wonder how long before Eddie Jordan walks as well. Reports indicate that the triangle might be back and PJ might pull in Pippen as an assistant as indicatedhere. If this happens, we'll just have too see if it end up with Pippen and Kobe at it at each other's throats or will they get along.

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