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VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby benji on Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:32 pm

I finally got around to checking them out and the newer versions of VMWare finally make use of your actual graphics card. As such, you can play Live 2000 and 2001 at a whole host of resolutions (Live 2000 allows up to some simply insane ones that could fill 40 inch monitors) maxed out more or less perfectly. (Both games seem to be made for 4:3, so other resolutions just stretch the image.)

What you need is merely VMWare Player (free) and some form of Windows XP (only 2000+ are supported for the graphic cards, so you can't use Win 98 SE Pdub) you can load into it. Oh, and the game of course. Then just install XP into a VM, give it a nice bunch of RAM to use (256 is fine, 512 is better, if you can give it a gig you'll like it even more), install the game and off you go. As noted you probably want to run it in a window at like 1024x768 or something rather than going full 1080p because of the stretching plus well, the visuals were not really made to be seen as such sizes... Also worth noting that 2001 is cursed by the evil console 640x480 menus. 2000 uses one resolution for everything, like a modern game now and back then, not like the shit EA sent us for half a decade.

If you can play 2K11 on your computer fine, you can max these out completely and run at a nice high resolution with no issues despite the virtualization overhead. Making an iso of the game disc helps too.

Live 99 and 98 still don't work right though. Through testing you can install the former and do anything in menus it just hates trying to do the actual gameplay most of the time, the latter installs but I have yet to figure out how to make it run. Anything 2003+ to my knowledge still works as intended on Vista+ so I didn't bother to test them. But it is a way to play the games in a window!

There is a free Windows XP disc image that Microsoft gave out for IE testing you can get if you don't have an XP disc or image but you have to set the dates back in the VM, I totally didn't find out how to do this because I just used an image of a disc I had but there are tutorials out there.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:14 am

Good to know. (Y) I'll go ahead and sticky this for convenience.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby benji on Sat Sep 17, 2011 8:39 pm

Found there might be an even better solution and that is using Windows 2000.

You can't install Live 99 on it because it does an OS check before install, but Live 98 actually runs. Well, the menus do, you can't play it. I do wonder if a Glide wrapper could take care of that though.

Windows 2000 has a lower overhead as well, so 2000 runs better even if you give the VM half the RAM. Although I got dunked on by Bryant Reeves. :(

Any Windows versions before 2000 do not have 3D acceleration support in VMWare Player. I am unsure if Oracle's VM thing does. Being able to load Windows 98 with full acceleration support would basically end the entire problem since it can run 16-bit games.

I'm going to try some DOSBox testing for the earlier games as well, it could be possible to play every EA basketball game except 98 and 99 on modern computers.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Sun Sep 18, 2011 11:36 am

Cool. It's been a while but I think I've tried to run NBA Live 96 in DOSBox before, with fairly decent results.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby mortalsoul3 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:34 am

benji wrote: just install XP into a VM, give it a nice bunch of RAM to use (256 is fine, 512 is better, if you can give it a gig you'll like it even more), install the game and off you go. As noted you probably want to run it in a window at like 1024x768 or something rather than going full 1080p because of the stretching plus well, the visuals were not really made to be seen as such sizes...


So, if I'm reading benji correctly, I should be able to install and run NBA Live 2000 on a pc equipped with XP operating system, 256(+) bits of memory, & the free VMPlayer download? Is the VM Player necessary for play on XP -- or is the application used merely to render the graphics compatible with the updated platform? I'm wondering about Live 2000 specifically here.

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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:04 am

I'm still able to run NBA Live 2000 on XP without any issues.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby mortalsoul3 on Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:06 pm

Thanks, Andrew. Do you happen to use this VM Player software with Live 2000?

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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:06 am

Nope, works fine for me without it.
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Postby mortalsoul3 on Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:06 am

Good to hear. Thanks, gentlemen. I'm having some trouble running Live on XP, myself. Wondering about this VM Player as a solution -- or whether, this desktop merely needs a memory jolt. Or, perhaps this disk is merely battered and bruised.

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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:52 am

I haven't tried it myself yet since I'm able to run it fine, but judging by benji's findings I'd say that's worth a try.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby OSKCARR on Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:41 pm

i don't want to use some disc of windows xp or 98 i wanna do it without buying a disc with win 98. is that possible cause i dont wont to buy a win 98 just to play the retro NBA games on it.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:43 pm

benji wrote:There is a free Windows XP disc image that Microsoft gave out for IE testing you can get if you don't have an XP disc or image but you have to set the dates back in the VM, I totally didn't find out how to do this because I just used an image of a disc I had but there are tutorials out there.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:59 am

I've been messing around with this a bit, as I wanted to update our collection of screenshots for the old games in our new portals and in the Wiki. I was able to get NBA Live 98 to run without any issues, but as Ben noted before NBA Live 99 is a bit stubborn, generally locking up whenever you try to actually play a game while the menus work just fine.

However...I may have found a solution.

First, I installed the official fix:
NBA Live 99 Bug Fix Patch (English Version)

(Foreign language versions also available here: downloads.php?cat=120)

And the Voodoo 3 fix:
NBA Live 99 Voodoo 3 Fix

It's been working fine for me since, at any rate, always getting through to actual gameplay without a single lock up. If you want to give it a try, make sure that you download those files from within VMWare, otherwise you won't be able to apply them to the games installed therein.

Once again, NBA Live 98 has been working for me fine so far but if the vanilla game is causing problems, it also received an update which can still be downloaded here:
NBA Live 98 Bug Fix Patch
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby benji on Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:07 am

I still can't get Live 98 to work on anything I have.

The Voodoo3 Fix does seem to fix Live 99 for whatever reason. Though it doesn't fix the fact that I didn't even realize who would be on my team when I said "sure, I'll take the Bulls as my team!" (And it crashes sometimes on exit...which isn't an actual big deal since I can just reboot or shut down the VM.)

Speaking of Live 99, the games "resolution" options are still kinda hilariously vague.

Live 97's DOS version works fine with DOSBox, do not have a Windows version (if there is one) to check.

Not Live related, but NBA Full Court Press works just fine through the VMWare method.

Also, you can drag and drop files to and from the VM window from your actual PC. Or even copy/paste URL's into whatever browser you have on there. (The latter can be wonky sometimes though.)

I love having to go through and check mark everything because yes, I can afford to install all 400 MB of this game's sound and movies.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Leftos on Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:11 am

I remember how pissed my father would get when I would be deleting folders I had no idea about just to make up enough space on our hard-drive back then just to install Live 96 and do a "full installation".

I must've been 7 years old back then.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:57 am

Pretty sure all copies of NBA Live 97 PC shipped with a DOS and Windows version on the same disc (mine does, at any rate). I just installed the DOS version and use DOSBox for that one.

No issues with NBA Live 98 and NBA Live 99, after installing the previous official fixes.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby benji on Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:27 pm

Which version of XP are you using? And what's your card? If you don't mind sharing.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:24 am

XP SP3, with the latest updates. Card is a GeForce 9500 GT.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby benji on Mon Oct 08, 2012 10:10 pm

I tried a glide wrapper but had no success with Live 98. However, it does let you run Live 99 in something other than software.

http://www.zeus-software.com/downloads/nglide

There's a registry "tweak" to get in their compatibility list. And you want to use Windows' compatibility mode as it states.

If I remember I'll have to try it on Vista and 7.
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Re: VMWare Player can play Live 2000 and 2001 "perfectly."

Postby Andrew on Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:35 pm

Might grab that just in case. Thanks for the heads up.
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