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RED MC iff: MSG Mashup, 2K11 Blacktop RSLD p. 4

Postby JaoSming on Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:32 pm

So if you haven't already heard, Vlad is going to be adding iff editing support to RED MC. I've talked about this on the Podcast and probably YouTube at length, but essentially this will bring 2K art editing up to NBA Live PC standards, and then some. The things I have been able to do with the early beta is nothing short of amazing, and I cannot wait to see what you guys do it when he releases it (I'm sure he'll drop by with an ETA).

2K11 Blacktop Court
One of my favorite features of the tool is being able to take parts from one iff file, and put them into another. So once I got the beta I immediately grabbed the hidden 2K11 Blacktop Court from NBA 2K12 (2k11-2k9 iff files are not going to be support at first), extracted the backboard, crowd positions, and arena parts, and imported them over a Rucker Park file from 2K14. Worked like a charm. Yes, it is missing the helicopter with that spotlight and the cars flashing their lights, but the trash can fire animates and the court pavement reflections from the car lights work.

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HD Cyberfaces
Of course, the most used feature will be importing in HD textures. Since NBA 2K9 used 1024x1024 textures for faces, I grabbed a CP3 face from HellBoy - viewtopic.php?f=94&t=64756 - and imported into the game. I didn't touch up or update the green texture or make a new alpha channel, but 1024 and larger textures will work.

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Beards and Other Textures Too
I don't do CFs. I did take Harden's hair & beard texture and make it 1024x1024 instead of 256x256. I just sharpened the texture a bit, but I'm sure you CF guys will be able to surpass the PS4 Harden soon enough.

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Uniforms
Uniforms can get HD'd as well, here is tha_King's (I think at least, sorry if I missed who actually made it) Celtics Uniform

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And here is a 2x Resolution 2048x1024 texture for comparison (I dont make uniforms either)

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That MyPLAYER Shirt
The Global file can be edited too, so HD accessories will be possible as well as eyes and whatever else is in there you'd like to edit. I just went for that shirt they stick on your MyPLAYER and changed it from 256x256 to 2048x2048 (I didnt account for the stretching at all).

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Adding Crowds
I know the High School mod people will like this, but since we can move arenas from one file to another, I imported the practice gym and baskets over Rucker Park (because I have my custom floor crowd file previously made for Rucker and Midnight Ballers). I could have also taken the crowddata and crowdlighting files from Rucker and imported them into the practice file, and that should have worked too.

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Other Things to Move
You can also move other parts from one arena to another. So here I took the tables from the 60s Celtics arena and overwrote the sideline dornas in the modern court. A basket modder might find it helpful to only do 1 basket with a modded rim or video ad, then import it into the other arenas without needing to care about different model sizes, and simply reskin as they need to.

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Frankenstein It All
And probably the most "Jao" thing I've done is import the Rooftop court inside a stadium. I replaced the dornas with the entire Blacktop arena. Yep. And the baskets too, which I didn't need to do if I didn't want to.

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Just wanted to give you guys a preview before Vlad releases it, so you guys can make HD textures, plan mods, or whatever you want. Hope you guys think this is as awesome as I do! :mrgreen:
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Postby Mr_Frost on Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:50 pm

:shock: All I can say is WOW. I'm completely blown away with this and I sure can't wait to test it out! Pretty awesome thing you did there with the blacktop court btw Jao :D
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Postby agolden on Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:33 pm

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Postby zzcoolj21 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:37 pm

HOLY... :bowdown: :bowdown: WE ARNT WORTHY :bowdown2: :bowdown2:
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Postby ClLUTClH on Sun Mar 16, 2014 4:51 pm

This is insane. I can't wait to see the detail of the mods following the release!!
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Postby maumau78 on Sun Mar 16, 2014 9:52 pm

WOW :shock:

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Postby Rosque on Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:55 pm

I'm more hyped for this than I will be for NBA 2K15 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
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Postby YoShockray on Sun Mar 16, 2014 11:37 pm

Damn that Frankenstein... Reminds me of UFC... I don't know why... Probably cage and crowd and bunch of ripped dudes going after each other :D
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Postby KevinParker13 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:50 am

So Jao, are you gonna make a tutorial for this?
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:15 am

oh Im sure I will
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Postby Angelo on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:39 am

Holy SHIZNIT :crazyeyes:
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Postby Wilt Chamberlain on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:58 am

It's Showtime :applaud:
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Postby Rosque on Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:09 am

Jao, do you feel FPS drop when making textures bigger?
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:24 am

Rosque wrote:Jao, do you feel FPS drop when making textures bigger?

I havent, but I havent truly stress tested it yet
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Postby bigh0rt on Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:43 am

JIMP :applaud:
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Postby Wilt Chamberlain on Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:46 am

Just one question it will be like texmod modders can only do texture and you must have REDMC to get it in the game ( not unteressting at all :| ) , or modders can do with it an hd ".iff" file for the community ?
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Postby agolden on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:34 am

Wilt Chamberlain wrote:Just one question it will be like texmod modders can only do texture and you must have REDMC to get it in the game ( not unteressting at all :| ) , or modders can do with it an hd ".iff" file for the community ?


Yea seems interesting although I'm willing to pay the money
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:36 am

Wilt Chamberlain wrote:Just one question it will be like texmod modders can only do texture and you must have REDMC to get it in the game ( not unteressting at all :| ) , or modders can do with it an hd ".iff" file for the community ?

It is an iff file, just like all the others we've been sharing for years, just with higher resolution textures or an additional stadium :P

R4zoR sent me a 1024x1024 tattoo texture for testing purposes
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Postby maumau78 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:42 am

well---that's impressive....
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Postby Mr_Frost on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:45 am

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Postby agolden on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:45 am

Damn... now we can read tattoos like in NBA Live 14 haha
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Postby Wilt Chamberlain on Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:00 am

Great :applaud: someone send a cyberface + jersey in 2048*2048 (Y)
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Postby utp1985 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:44 am

JaoSming wrote:Uniforms
Uniforms can get HD'd as well, here is tha_King's (I think at least, sorry if I missed who actually made it) Celtics Uniform
And here is a 2x Resolution 2048x1024 texture for comparison (I dont make uniforms either)


I'm also happy for this I create retro jerseys, and created them in 2048x1024 and needed to downscale till now... but from now... :boohoo:
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:19 am

for the sake of doing it
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Tonight I'll try and remember to do a stress test on the game engine, making as many textures as I can 4096 in resolution (the default max in the config.cfg)
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Postby LordStar on Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:59 am

Just do two teams of the starters, Make the jerseys and the Arena with higher res to see how it looks. :D

Edit: Since you can have as many vertices in a iff does that mean we can double the vertices of a face in blender maybe even the body?
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:12 am

Custom model editing isn't supported yet, but it would be possible if we understood the format enough to duplicate some points, since we can export parts and import them with different sizes. So no, but its complicatedly possible
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Postby chaim on Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:19 am

Awww yeah. Just imagine the possibilities :crazyeyes:
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Postby Pdub on Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:37 am

This looks awesome. Can we edit/extract anything other than models and textures? Like shaders or animations, or menus and overlays?
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Postby agolden on Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:43 am

Pdub wrote:This looks awesome. Can we edit/extract anything other than models and textures? Like shaders or animations, or menus and overlays?

Yea, text editing and animation editing should be possible. Listen to the latest NLSC podcast, Jao talked about this whole thing.
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Postby PepsiWithCoke on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:04 am

Holy shit, We might be able to outdo the Next Gen version graphically now.....
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Postby PepsiWithCoke on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:05 am

JaoSming wrote:
Wilt Chamberlain wrote:Just one question it will be like texmod modders can only do texture and you must have REDMC to get it in the game ( not unteressting at all :| ) , or modders can do with it an hd ".iff" file for the community ?

It is an iff file, just like all the others we've been sharing for years, just with higher resolution textures or an additional stadium :P

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So we don't need to pay for anything?, Great.
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:30 am

PepsiWithCoke wrote:So we don't need to pay for anything?, Great.

There is still going to be a licensing system afaik. But it will be like the current RED MC stuff, where the maker pays to make the files but anyone can load and use them.

Pdub wrote:This looks awesome. Can we edit/extract anything other than models and textures? Like shaders or animations, or menus and overlays?

The only thing truly editable is the textures, other than that this is only taking the different parts of the file and letting me export/import them as a whole. No idea where the shaders are, but if we find them they would need to be hex edited. Animations are the same thing, can be exported and imported, but we dont know how to edit them yet. I still need to test if the game allows for replacing animations, so taking the honey dip and replacing another dunk. I have no idea how menus are laid out, and overlays are the same thing, they would still need to be hex edited.
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Postby zzcoolj21 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:38 am

So this means that higher resolution shoes are possible?
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:51 am

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Postby Maverick on Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:58 am

This is effin amazing! :bowdown2:

Sir Jao, so every texture in the game can be HD'd or just select ones like the ones you mentioned?
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:05 am

as far as I know, every texture. Vlad is still working on stuff, so I dont want to completely confirm anything just yet, but yea :cool:
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Postby jakeywakey911 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:33 am

Great news guys... Thats seriously awesome.. and to think tomorrow I'll actually have my PS4 and NBA Finally but this makes me want to stick around haha :)
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Postby Maverick on Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:49 am

JaoSming wrote:as far as I know, every texture. Vlad is still working on stuff, so I dont want to completely confirm anything just yet, but yea :cool:

*fingers crossed*

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EDIT: Sir Jao, any plans on releasing those awesome HD'd courts you previewed? :drool: Or include it in your next streetmod?
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Postby kahoona on Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:41 am

Ohh... My... God!!! This is amazing! I look forward to all the different arenas now :D
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:57 am

Maverick wrote:EDIT: Sir Jao, any plans on releasing those awesome HD'd courts you previewed? Or include it in your next streetmod?

2K11 Blacktop, Practice, Under Armour, and Attack Athletics with crowds will all get released by me when the tool is released. Then of course, this is going to give me so much more flexibility when making my own courts.
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Postby Tommyhtc on Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:22 am

the last arena looks amazing and blew me away...

I'm new to modding 2k14,2k13 , can someone explain to me why being able to edit iff will allow us to import textures in a higher definition???

and what prevents us from doing it originally??

does it also mean we can import headshapes from the past???
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:46 am

Tommyhtc wrote:I'm new to modding 2k14,2k13 , can someone explain to me why being able to edit iff will allow us to import textures in a higher definition???
well the iff is like a zip file with textures, models, additional zip files, and other data within it. Every "thing" inside of it is its own file, or part of the file. So iff files simply have the textures within them, which means if we edit them, well, that what gets edited.
Tommyhtc wrote:and what prevents us from doing it originally??
There is information in the iff file header that says where in the file each part starts and how big it is. All this information is shown in the 2kX tool but neither that tool or the 3DM tool allowed for changes in filesize. Mostly because its easier to do 1 to 1 replacing. At the same time, recalculating all those offsets is a huge pain, which is why nobody before Vlad has really taken it on aside from Erix. There may be more to it than that, but that is the jist of it.
Tommyhtc wrote:does it also mean we can import headshapes from the past???
iff files 2k11 and before have a slightly different structure and compression technique, I think. Either way, the tool won't support the older files at release, but I am pressing Vlad to try and support them sometime after release (and hopefully 2k10's street courts will convert nicely).
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Postby randallb21 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:14 pm

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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:55 pm

Stress test seemed to come back positive. In game I had no noticeable difference in FPS, but I did notice the game take an extra second to load players into the home screen and team select.

2 Uniforms at 8192x4096 for both the shorts and tops
2 logos at 8192x8192
Crowd at 8192x8192
3 Faces at 8192x8192 (including Anthony Davis and Rondo, the two that load into the menus first)

So while I'm sure we could affect gameplay with too too many HD updates, it definitely isn't as bad as Live 07/08 since I threw 10 textures all over 80mb in size at the game with little consequence. My rig is an i7 3770K, 8gig RAM, GTX 560 Ti.

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Postby LordStar on Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:57 pm

More screens please!!
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Postby JaoSming on Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:34 pm

LordStar wrote:More screens please!!

Screenshots are so yesterday, how about a video?

Replaced an MJ cradle dunk with the backboard slap dunk (originally from 2K9, but the animation was already in the siganims file)
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Obviously more needs to be edit than simply bringing the animation in, but still, no crashes, just :lol:
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Re: RED MC iff Editing Preview: HD Textures, Crazy Stadiums,

Postby Pdub on Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:39 pm

We need to find out where the parameters are for the angle and distance of takeoff for the dunk is located.
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Re: RED MC iff Editing Preview: HD Textures, Crazy Stadiums,

Postby tatlopuyo on Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:11 pm

this is awesome..so editing all the texture files in the global.iff file is possible now jao?can you show some preview if you change the resolution the sizes of the specular_map or cube maps in the global files?

also if its possible from moving files to another can u try like import the the model of last years tight jersey by bliss to the model with cloth physics.maybe that can be done.sorry for my bad english.
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Re: RED MC iff Editing Preview: HD Textures, Crazy Stadiums,

Postby iPenny24 on Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:25 pm

Hey Jaoming! First of all i love all your street mod specially back in 213 that we can able to play mycareer into street not the stadium courts. having said that can you do that again using that courts the last photo, it would be great if you do that for me. Thanks looking forward... sorry for my bad english
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