Behindshadows wrote: bigh0rt wrote:
Behindshadows wrote:Yes I am waiting on a valid roster editor so I can get started on the database and teams.....
We are going to do amazing this year guys, I've already told 2ksports and the former College Hoops developers about this project.
Let's make it amazing!!! Let's do this as if its the last in the series....going big this season..
You might as well set a hard date right now as a deadline for whether or not you're actually going to forge through with the project this year, with respect to the release of REDitor or another roster editing tool. That way at least people can be aware, and if the date draws near, make other plans for pushing forward without you if need be.
Also, if you set a date not too far off into the future, somebody else can start piecing together the aspects of this mod that you contribute, since you're not big on sharing your work or granting permission.
No and No and No....
No date as it's done when it's done.
No leaving the project...this has been mine for years and when I stay with it, it turns out great. I only pick reliable and the most talented patchers to be apart of it. As they are respectable young men, with the same passion for the series that I have. (I had a family crisis last year that took me away.) I am here to bring my baby back to it's greatness.
and No permissions, etc, etc. So people can still our damn cf's just to make Draft Classes like they do every year....Won't contribute to the project, but always want to take stuff and make their own projects with the files...it's unfair to my team and unfair to the CH project, year after year....
Besides false dates leave negative expectations....(It will be done, when it's done)
Full player rosters with numbers will be posted next Wednesday...
I believe you missed my point. I don't mean to set a release date for the mod, but a deadline that, if REDitor is not released by, that you won't be participating in it, so that there is not a repeat of last year where two days before the tool was released, you decided you did not want to put in the work anymore (and understandably so; certainly nobody can blame you). You've got to have some date in your head that, if you don't have the roster tools necessary by, you're going to bail on the project as you did in 2K13. You might as well just state that date now, so that if it draws near, people aren't disappointed and somebody else can step up and keep it going for those who are interested. It's not something that you get to just shut down or open up, as you see fit. It's a community project. Last year there were several people putting in countless hours of work to put together a mod, and then you just decided you didn't want to do it. If not for a computer catastrophe, it would have been released, good as ever, with minimal input on your end; thanks to great work by johnbuckeyes and others (not to mention the work put in by Jao initially, which generally seems to go overlooked and under-appreciated).
Aside from all that, the general self-promotion and self-righteousness and feeling that as you do this, you make it more about you than the actual community, definitely rubs me the wrong way (I can't speak on behalf of anyone else; maybe I'm alone here). You seem to like to hold the cards, and feel important ("This has been mine for years and when I stay with it, it turns out great"). Yours? What's yours? I understand you're buddies with the CF makers and other contributors, but certainly nothing here is "yours", aside from what you specifically make, if you want to be technical, which is still just fluff nonsense. To me, it reads plain as day in your posts. "I only pick reliable and the most talented patchers..." -- the reality is you'll accept any quality work from anybody willing to contribute, as should you. You're not picking anything, and if you either believe you are, or at any point actually are, then again, you've missed the mark by miles. Just call a spade a spade. You do some of the work and organize all of the work that others contribute. It's important for big undertakings like this; I get that. I've played that role before, back in 2006 and 2007 in this very community for the SUM mod with Jao, PDub, c0nrad, etc. Only I didn't pretend that I was doing more than I was, or that the mod was mine, and not the collective work of the entire NLSC. The reality is that this mod can be made with or without you (not a criticism of you, but it's a fact), whether or not you'd like to believe that. It can be made without any single person here. It's a community project. You claiming ownership of it, and trying to hold work hostage over the heads of others is a big reason you don't actually have more
people contributing. It's extremely off-putting. I have no dog in this, since I don't make Draft Classes or anything of that nature, so I'm not rallying for a cause or anything here. But it's lame. It was lame when people were looking to pick back steam on the NCAA 2K13 work that had been done via countless hours of people other than yourself, and you felt you had the right to chime in that nobody had permission to use anything, as if that were even something within your power. It's something I would expect my teenage students to do. The 'I'm taking my ball and going home, so now no one can play!' mentality.
You seem like a good enough guy, and I wish both you and everybody else contributing to this project the best of luck this season, and hopefully massive success. Looking forward to hopefully playing it in the future. But you desperately need a realignment of priority. Because you're not as important as you seem to believe you are (this is something a lot of people here at the NLSC could stand to learn -- people love to pretend that A+ mods haven't been being made long before their arrival, or long after their departure. There's always someone else who can either already do or will learn to do what you can do, and may do it better. It's something I've accepted for a long time, and it's helped me appreciate everyone here a lot more as a member for the better part of the last decade). And you've certainly turned me off from wanting to contribute anything to this only to have you later on feel you have the power to not grant permission to others to use the work, or pretend like it was some massive undertaking on your end alone.
Either way, I'm done here. Again, best of luck.