30 HD Arenas // Miami Heat released

Looking great, as always.

Wow this is some pretty good stuff you've put together. Great pack for me to use since I just reinstalled windows and had to start nba 2k14 again from scratch. A couple things I've noticed though are the V5 Warriors court, the yellow should be a much richer yellow, and the V5 Heat court I want to say the colors should be more muted. Your V5 Nets court looks perfect. Some of the color issues could be because of the tv networks. ESPN and TNT like to put different filters on the feed. If you have NBA League Pass you can look through the archives and see the color differences between the different feeds.

yeah as i say in the thread a couple of court don't really match, i will retouch them when i find enough courage. And yes it is hard to find the right color with the NTSC youtube/TV filter etc... Photo are often also photoshophed to maximise lightning etc. But i never use video to make the color, it is just to color destructive and encoded, re-encoded & re re-encoded to being dropped on youtube. I take most of the pictures from espn.go as they provide quite big daily photo report. and some court are more inspiring than others also ^^!!

I dont care about what other people might say.. but i love all your courts from v1 up to now.. no bugs, no drops of fps, very smooth, i dont care about the color if it is way off, i dont care if the line was not accurate, i dont care if it is too bright, all i care is the smoothness of the game play because at the end of the day this is only a video game not real life basketball. dont get me wrong i tried courts from other modder, yes they look ok but too many bugs fps dropping and i dont like it so this the only one courts thats perfect for me. My pc has geforce gtx 765 so dont tell me i might have slower PC. lol

BTW stoeck im still waiting for the Knicks court V5. Please have this next hehehe

Great CLIPPERS court, in my game now

yeah as i say in the thread a couple of court don't really match, i will retouch them when i find enough courage. And yes it is hard to find the right color with the NTSC youtube/TV filter etc... Photo are often also photoshophed to maximise lightning etc. But i never use video to make the color, it is just to color destructive and encoded, re-encoded & re re-encoded to being dropped on youtube. I take most of the pictures from espn.go as they provide quite big daily photo report. and some court are more inspiring than others also ^^!!

I can agree that is very hard to find correct color from photos/videos as these are not raw materials - compressed, decompressed, recompressed, oversaturated.... unless you were in arena you will never know hw it could look.
Even when I watch live NBA game on ESPN HD (high definition), then suddenly switch to ESPN SD (standard definition), collor difference is huge for the same live game. For anything less than HD a lot of pixels are wasted, probably from 5 different grey pixels going in row they are substituted with just 2 black pixels in SD, etc.
Thus it is very important to know how relialbe is your source chosing the right color.

In addition some technical info.... all floor files have their own colored overlays onto the textures that modders import.. Even if modder import "hex color 000000 pure black" to floor file, it will never be pure black in the game if those colored overlays are not changed (they can not be seen with any software available for modders, but it is very easy to manipulate them by hex editing (or maybe even with "hex on steroids" which I did not use yet).
Those overlays are acutually some transparent layers of colors that should fit the color-feel of the stadium. They give more dark red to Spurs court, more borwn orange to MSG, etc.
So I understand how difficult it is to find correct color balance for the court as color you see on display is affected by:
Texture color + Overlay Color + reflections balance

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I dont care about what other people might say.. but i love all your courts from v1 up to now.. no bugs, no drops of fps, very smooth, i dont care about the color if it is way off, i dont care if the line was not accurate, i dont care if it is too bright, all i care is the smoothness of the game play because at the end of the day this is only a video game not real life basketball. dont get me wrong i tried courts from other modder, yes they look ok but too many bugs fps dropping and i dont like it so this the only one courts thats perfect for me. My pc has geforce gtx 765 so dont tell me i might have slower PC. lol

BTW stoeck im still waiting for the Knicks court V5. Please have this next hehehe

I can not support the logic that colors are not important....
but I confirm that STOECK floor making method (at least in V5, did not check earlier once) is totally ddifferent from what Sixers85, Mithbyster, IamLillard do, therefore users notice less FPS drop and more easier flow of the game.
Biggest factor of it - Stoeck do not force PC to draw full texture 4096x2048 as other modders do, but just a part of it. 70 percent of the texture is cutted off here parquest should be.
This is easier for PC to process all the info, instead of 4096x2048px= 8,3 million pixels on screen, he uses maybe 8.3 / 70% = 2.5 million pixels. All the cutted area from the texture (parquet) is displayed by generic 2k code... it is a long story, I am to drunk to go deeper, plus a lot of thisngs I discuss here are not tested, they are just my thinking how it should be.
But all in all - Frame drop with Stoeck courts must be definitely lower comparing with courts that uses full texture instead of partial floor texture.

In addition some technical info.... all floor files have their own colored overlays onto the textures that modders import.. Even if modder import "hex color 000000 pure black" to floor file, it will never be pure black in the game if those colored overlays are not changed (they can not be seen with any software available for modders, but it is very easy to manipulate them by hex editing (or maybe even with "hex on steroids" which I did not use yet).
Those overlays are acutually some transparent layers of colors that should fit the color-feel of the stadium. They give more dark red to Spurs court, more borwn orange to MSG, etc.
So I understand how difficult it is to find correct color balance for the court as color you see on display is affected by:
Texture color + Overlay Color + reflections balance

Yes but the aim is too keep the original lightning colors they are pretty effective. If i listen myself i would put blueish light everywhere because i like sharpen and cold, red give more hot colors and warmy colors that often don't look that realistic. I was looking around about spot light on google to find the true colors of a sharp arena lightning but didn't get that far, it more speaks about lux & intensity than colors.

To get the color i usally take a lot of different pics take a bit 10x10 pixels from each and put em together. then i blur everything and the mix gives the colors. Because if the media (tv, photo etc ) change the colors, the angle of view, the lights also does. So using the average method must lead to reality somewhere... :p


I think if you can increase the floor dxt1 rez 1024 1024 you have enough variation to hide the repetitivity of the texture so using it is clearly a better way than drawing all the floor with also a repeated texture were the cpu still needs to calculate every single pixel. like that it calculates once and then just dispatch.

And more off all this method also allow to display the playoff logo with low impact on the ground texture (there is always a little displacement coz i'm not 3d pro and it is boring as hell to move it launch game, test close move it launch game etc etc etc more than 20 times just to scale and center the texture. 2k don't include texture in the 3d model and thats a weird shit in 3d so you need every single displacement and you can't use an effective ruler !!!!! )

That spurs floor is looking spot on.

Utah Jazz released !

Another Spot on court thats just perfect!

usefull ressources for team colors for who ever needs

http://teamcolors.arc90.com/

Another Spot on court thats just perfect!

thx !

usefull ressources for team colors for who ever needs

http://teamcolors.arc90.com/

One more
http://dynasties.operationsports.com/team-colors.php?sport=nba

But both are not accurate.

Better to download team logo from http://www.sportslogos.net/leagues/list_by_sport/3/Basketball/logos
to your graphics editing software and check the correct color with eyedropper tool....

That Nets court. Wow.

@manni

who's the girl on your gif?

wow! Jazz court rocks, too.
You're doing a great job stoeck!

@manni

who's the girl on your gif?

Beyonce.

usefull ressources for team colors for who ever needs

http://teamcolors.arc90.com/

One more
http://dynasties.operationsports.com/team-colors.php?sport=nba

But both are not accurate.

Better to download team logo from http://www.sportslogos.net/leagues/list_by_sport/3/Basketball/logos
to your graphics editing software and check the correct color with eyedropper tool....

Sportslogos uses more CYMK & print oriented stuff than RVB but as you say none will be accurate it is just a work base

your thoughts? better ?

@manni

who's the girl on your gif?

Beyonce.

Another eyes got caught. Haha! Shake it Manni!

stoeck, thanks man!

was looking to correct miami but hey sorry miami IS yellow !!!

your thoughts? better ?

It's perfect! But can you tell what are those dots on the floor?

your thoughts? better ?

It's perfect! But can you tell what are those dots on the floor?

lights reflection i guess

your thoughts? better ?

It's perfect! But can you tell what are those dots on the floor?

lights reflection i guess

Was talking about those. They looks like a footsteps?