U R B - WHERE SIM HAPPENS ! 2023 Roster Preview! 22ND February!

Great. There is no sword in the middle of the court.

Now, go and make the outside of the court black.

Then, maybe this mod can be featured on the front page of NLSC for new updates/site contributions.

It wont, not meeting Andrew conditions, still not sure which one



but its some kind of funny or should i say stupid (?) that the only big project which is alive is not showed on the main site....kinda destructive for the NLSC.


btw. is it ok for you slimm? it took 5sec and five clicks in photoshop

It's not good enough and it's your fault. The NLSC wants quality on the main page, not courts in some mod that's supposed to be "realistic" but one court has the wrong color on the border.

You failed, Adam.

It's not good enough and it's your fault. The NLSC wants quality on the main page, not courts in some mod that's supposed to be "realistic" but one court has the wrong color on the border.

You failed, Adam.

fully agreed, failed to the maximum, i rly want to apologize everyone, you must watch this ugly court and you must download other files to make it realistic, or even whole different roster mod, damn me...

Acceptance of your failure is the first step to success, Sko. I'm proud of you.

Not really.

Your mod sucks.

i played a game against the 76ers and joel embiid who's only been in the league for a second is playing exactly how he plays in real life. if realism was your goal i have to say you nailed it. im really going to miss your work when its all said an done.

but its some kind of funny or should i say stupid (?) that the only big project which is alive is not showed on the main site....kinda destructive for the NLSC.

I'm a member since 2002 and can say that the main reason i still visit NLSC is URB and Med's Roster. This mod is in the top 3 of best things that happened
in NLSC history

These rosters, all of them. This is basketball nirvana. You guys saw it through.

OK, guys, here's the deal. Skoadam deserves a Contributor's Badge. Some of you may question why it even matters if he receives this because it's not important to you. Take it from me, Skoadam has put in more hours than you can possibly imagine on this mod...and in the 2k13 mod, as well. His level of dedication, investment, attention to detail, and perfectionism has been THE driving factor in this becoming what many people consider the most accurate mod ever created. All joking and trolling aside, he deserves this as much, if not more, than anybody else on this site.

If you wouldn't mind helping him out, please do two things...1) make a post in this thread stating that you feel Skoadam should absolutely receive a Contributor's Badge. 2) Send a private message to Andrew stating the same thing.

If you appreciate this mod (or the 2k13 mod), please do these two things. It costs nothing but a few minutes of your time and it would be a great gift to Skoadam. He deserves it.

THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON WHY HE SHOULDN'T HAVE A CONTRIBUTOR'S BADGE.

Skoadam ABSOLUTELY deserves a Contributor's Badge!

This is a great project, and I am loving playing the current season with the updated roster.

OK, guys, here's the deal. Skoadam deserves a Contributor's Badge. Some of you may question why it even matters if he receives this because it's not important to you. Take it from me, Skoadam has put in more hours than you can possibly imagine on this mod...and in the 2k13 mod, as well. His level of dedication, investment, attention to detail, and perfectionism has been THE driving factor in this becoming what many people consider the most accurate mod ever created. All joking and trolling aside, he deserves this as much, if not more, than anybody else on this site.




THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON WHY HE SHOULDN'T HAVE A CONTRIBUTOR'S BADGE.

Give THIS man a badge as well

It's only right.

URBBALL FAMILLY! THIS IS HUGE UPDATE FOR 2017 & whole project. To get newest update please re- download roster files and part 6 and part 8 only for 2k14.






Download link >>> click here


Click here to donate and make me feel my work is needed


Whats inside

- new 2016/2017 season/asso ready files

- Last trades included

- Updated few players ratings

- Updated Cavs court - now its 100% ACCURATE....right?

- New rookies cf, all made by Monzki


Previews :









Whats next:

- BIG surprise is comming

So, I posted this update back in late October, when I was gearing up to add more Contributors. As I explained at the time, it was something that had fallen by the wayside with everything else that was on my plate, and had to take a backseat again in June when finding a new home for the site was paramount, so that there'd still be an NLSC for any of us to contribute to. We honestly came very close to having to shut down completely or really scale back our operations (ie no Downloads section, basically), but fortunately I was able to secure funding (for now, at any rate).

With that done and everything secure and in place, it was time to start catching up on things that were overdue, including following up on the clean out of the Contributors group by adding some new people. I posted that notice to let everyone know I'd be doing that, and also to highlight a couple of points about the group. In particular, this bit:

We do want to keep recognising the work of modders in our community, through adding new people to the group. At the same time, we also want to make sure that the Contributor group does not become some sort of elitist "status symbol", something that people want to get into just for the sake of getting into, or to hold over other members of the community. We want the Contributor group to not only be a means of recognising people who have made consistent contributions to the community, but also a sign of mutual respect.

The "being active and adding files to the Downloads section" part of the contributor rules is quite clear and easily understood, but there is another requirement that I want to highlight: Contributors must also have "been a good Forum citizen, setting a good example for other members." This part is actually very important because respect is a two way street, and to be frank, we're not particularly comfortable with giving profile perks and public recognition to someone who is rude or disdainful towards us, or the community at large.

In short, if you're unpleasant to deal with, or most of our interactions with you leave us with the impression that you're difficult and disrespectful, then it doesn't matter how good your mods are. If you want us to give you recognition and do nice things for you, you need to be nice to us and the community; it's only fair. If you have a habit of being rude in your posts, or unsupportive towards your fellow modders, or taking passive-aggressive potshots at other members or the NLSC and any of its staff, or anything like that, then you're on the fast track to disqualifying yourself from the Contributor group. And yes, that includes the way you interact with people in private messages, too.

And no, that doesn't mean sucking up or lavishing praise or anything like that. It just means being respectful, and not being difficult to deal with. skoadam, you're doing some fantastic work on URB which is a great contribution, but our interactions have rarely been all that civil. I reached out to you when HAWK23 was concerned about the name of URB and a couple of other things, just to make sure that everything was on the level and to smooth out any tension. The response I received was not pleasant, nor are some of the passive-aggressive remarks here in this thread as of late, or the potshot in your avatar/signature right now (which you added before I addressed the situation with the Contributors group, and haven't seen fit to take down since). Please don't insult my intelligence and say it's self-deprecating; I can tell when someone is taking a shot at me and the site. I get your frustration given how behind schedule I was, but lashing out at me isn't a good way to get me to do something for you.

That kind of stuff does discourage me from adding someone to the Contributors group, because it's asking me to make a big show of respect and appreciation for someone who isn't willing to return the favour. Instead of hitting me up and saying "Hey, is the group still a thing, you said if I kept doing what I was doing, I'd be in", I could've explained how I was behind on the process (which I definitely was, since I originally planned to have it all sorted by mid February). I'm probably trying to juggle too many things right now and admittedly that's my problem, but it is what it is, and the reason why certain things have fallen by the wayside.

Same goes for posting URB on the main page. I do actually have it queued up to post, but I was waiting a couple of days for another NBA 2K14 addition before I posted the bulletin. I like to have at least a couple of additions per bulletin when possible - sometimes it isn't, and "File Additions" is really "File Addition" - and as it happens, I do have one ready to go, since Garbajosa uploaded a face pack. Again, this is something I could've explained if you'd reached out and asked me what the deal was instead of making assumptions and ripping into me. With the NBA 2K13 version, I probably will have to post it as a lone addition, since we don't get as many additions for that game these days. As far as the post in your screenshot is concerned, it had been scheduled since Friday night since I was going to be out most of the weekend, and those were the additions I had in my log at the time. Again, I can understand there being confusion and frustration here, but there's an honest answer waiting for anyone who wants to inquire about that stuff.

I do think you belong in the Contributors group, to acknowledge the work you've done. You've put a lot of hours and great work into URB, as I said. However, for the past fifteen years, I've put a lot of time and work into the NLSC too, so I feel that should be a two way street. I'm not asking you to grovel, kiss ass, contribute financially to the hosting fund, or anything petty like that. But this attitude, the notion that the NLSC's success somehow revolves around or owes itself to URB (if there's any one mod that's made this site, it's the original rosters by Tim and Lutz back in the day) and we're being "destructive" by not posting a bulletin about it right away, the snarky, passive-aggressive remarks in this thread...that's the issue here. That's what I'd like to see resolved and cut out before I add you to the Contributors group. I don't think that I should have to weather that. Like I said, you're putting in a lot of work for the community, but I am too, and have been for fifteen years and counting.

Fair is fair, and it's only fair that you receive recognition for your work. But it's also only fair that I don't have to put up with disrespect directed towards me, my staff, and the site in general. If we can put all that behind us, then great, let's get you in there. But not while you're making posts like this, taking shots at me with your avatar/custom title, and all that. I'm happy to show you respect and appreciation for URB; all I ask is that I get a little respect and appreciation in return. If you've got a problem, shoot me a message. If I'm falling behind on stuff and you're wondering what's happening, ask me directly. Don't go making a public fuss and starting campaigns.

Finally, for what it's worth, I have mentioned URB on more than one occasion on the NLSC Podcast. That's not something I'd do if I didn't respect or appreciate your work. I also wouldn't be entering into this dialogue and overlooking things like posting the contents of a private message and creating a public fuss if I didn't appreciate the contributions, and be willing to put any ill-feeling aside to sort everything out. I'm simply asking you to do the same, so that there can be mutual respect, and thus appropriate recognition given by way of the Contributors group.

With all due respect, Andrew, I don't think there were any snide remarks until recently. From my perspective, that seems like an excuse to which appears to be another "expectation" to meet before you give Sko what you yourself say he deserves. It's been YEARS since Sko started the 2k13 retro project. At the time, I believe he was the only one that was avidly working on a retro project for that game due to the late release of REDmc (which I believe was REDitor at the time). I would agree with your point a little bit more if the time frame we were talking about Sko waiting was the last 10 months or so, but we're going back 4 years and 12 days with 2k13 (I checked) and I'm pretty sure he was contributing to the site before then.

I'm not sure how much this post is going to matter, though. You obviously perceive that Sko is "unpleasant, difficult, and disrespectful" due to the comment of "if you're unpleasant to deal with, or most of our interactions with you leave us with the impression that you're difficult and disrespectful, then it doesn't matter how good your mods are." He's been waiting for YEARS, man. I see his recent (and sometimes past) "difficult" behaviors as being a result of feeling like he's not as respected as some other modders on this site. You seem to perceive his "difficult" behaviors as what is going to keep him from what he wants (and many people feel he deserves.)

If I'm reading your post correctly, you're asking him to take the high road but you yourself aren't willing to do the same. I think you said something about a two-way street that can be inserted here.

By the way, thanks for putting our mod on the front page. I appreciate it.

For what it's worth, this has been a long standing conversation amongst myself and Andrew (and the other Team Members). We generally agree on everything, including all of the points he touched on in his post above. I've also had several conversations with sko about the matter as well, and have basically reiterated the same message. Years ago the relationship I had with sko mirrored that of what I believe Andrew has experienced in his exchanges with sko over a stretch of several years. I had a very negative view of him, although there was never any doubt about his dedication to his mods and tremendous contributions to said mods. I got to know sko through this project and feel he is largely misunderstood, and have since done just about a complete 180 and think he's a high quality person who was great to work with. Our interactions have been a okeasure for me. I don't think, however, that this side shines through as prevalently on the forums, and he has frequently come off in the manner that Andrew described above. I think there's a level of frustration within sko that helps explain this, is totally understandable, and was mentioned by Andrew in his post.

I understand that the "Contributor" badge represents more than just the contributions members have made to the various games (and in that way, maybe it is mislabeled or even completely unnecessary, which i believe I've argued in support of in the past, but I digress...). Ultimately, if there are other criteria that need to be met in order to earn the badge, and it has been clearly presented what needs to be done, and said things have not been done, it just kind of is what it is. Keep in mind I'm a guy here who has gotten to know sko more closely and is no longer met with the snark, cynicism, and paranoia that Andrew seeks to generally be on the receiving end of in these exchanges. I think if sko met Andrew with the same demeanor that he and I soeak with, this wouldn't even be a conversation being had at this point. But on another level, I do understand why the owner of a web site would be hesitant to hand out rewards to someone who has, for years, really not been someone who has had many (any?) positive interactions with, and is instead frequently the target of passive aggressive mud slinging. I get it.

The bottom line here is, it appears that sko is obviously a candidate to receive a contributors badge, as Andrew cited; that the badges have been tables for some time due to the issues with the site that have since been solved (even if only temporarily), and he may or may not receive one in the future pending meeting all of the criterion. What I hope is that the sko that I've come to know shines through, because he's honestly a great guy, deserving of all of the praise and adoration the contributors of this thread dole out. Slimm is in the exact same boat here, and he lnows well that I consider him the most talented roster manipulator I've ever worked with.

All i can really close here with is that there is certainly not a concerted effort to take credit from sko, to keep he or any project he's associated with down, or really anything negative in his direction. I feel that he's long had this feeling, but having been inside these very conversations, I can promise that this is not the case. All interactions I've ever had with Andrew have always come from a place where our goal is to be an inclusive place that encourages collaboration, a welcome, positive atmosphere, and camaraderie amongst like minded individuals who enjoy these games.

I lnow I don't really hang down here anymore, but I felt the need to just interject here to let everyone know that Andrew is not the "bad guy" here, and neither is Sko. I do hope that they soon are able to see eye to eye, as it would only benefit the NLSC.

Great job with the project, as always, guys. I hope to see you in 2K17 (maybe I'll actually biy it then) after you're all done with 13 and 14. You guys rock.

Thanks for the kind words, Hort. I appreciate them.

I've gotten to know Sko VERY well over the past 2.5 years (we've inboxed each other well over 100,000 times). Before I got to know him, I thought he was a jerk, also. The thing that is not being discussed is the language barrier. I chose to give him the benefit of the doubt when I met him (I knew he wasn't American and identified the language barrier) and we were able to work very well together. The language barrier is something that should be taken into account in this conversation. The dude doesn't intend to be a jerk but the language barrier does add to his jerkishness.

That being said, JUST GIVE THE MAN A BADGE.

I agree about the language barrier slimm. I think it is a very large contributing factor. He's a good guy and I hope ultimately everyone gets to see it.

Yup.

You know what would be hilarious?

If you guys gave me a Contributors Badge before Sko lol

He would then

The language barrier and differences in cultures and idioms definitely is a factor in communities where there are people from all around the world. It sounds like it's been a factor here, where there have been some interactions that left me with a bad impression. Likewise, they probably haven't always given the right impression of me, either. That's unfortunate on both sides, and obviously what needs to be worked through here.

It seems to me that that's what's happened here. There has been some less-than-friendly interactions where I've been left with a bad impression, perhaps in part due to the language barrier, and that's never really been resolved. There's since been a misunderstanding and some frustration about the Contributors group, when in fact it was simply left unattended for too long due to the aforementioned issues. That frustration has led to some lashing out at me, which I can understand, but at the same time. it seemed to confirm my initial impressions. Again, it's unfortunately never been resolved, so it's become a vicious cycle.

In my bulletin in the NLSC Hub, I did want to highlight the importance of mutual respect and not being a jerk to me, the rest of the staff, or the community at large; not to move the goalposts or exclude anyone, but to make it clear what we expect of people if we're going to reward them with some profile perks. That condition has always been there when we've appointed Moderators, Team Members, and now Contributors. I feel like that's something that's gone unheeded at times, which is why I made a point of mentioning it. As long as we're all on the same page though, there's no problem. However, we're obviously not going to give anyone "status" or responsibilities if we feel we can't trust them to do the right thing, or we have some friction with them, and that's obviously where bad first impressions come in, even if they're wrong. Especially if they're wrong, in fact. As I also said, I do want to make sure that no elitism creeps into the group, and it doesn't become a point of contention in the community.

Anyway, that's how we got here. Now, we have to remedy it.

That means starting over, and letting bygones be bygones. I feel at this point, I know your expectations: to have your work acknowledged as it deserves, which includes Contributor status. That's absolutely fair. I too expect that my efforts are appreciated, and that when there are any issues with me or the site, they're brought to me in a friendly and civil manner so that I can sort them out as soon as I can. I'm happy to give honest answers and let you know what's going on, but I don't respond well to demands and snark, especially if there's a contentious relationship there to begin with; none of us should. I feel that's only fair, too.

Let's not have a contentious relationship, though. Let's start anew. Your work is outstanding, and your contributions are appreciated. So let's first mend this rift, and take things from there. We're not done adding to the Contributors group, after all. It's a situation where members will come and go, and membership will be evaluated according to whether someone is meeting the rules and conditions. To that end, gaining or losing membership isn't permanent, except under extraordinary circumstances.

In any event, if we can move on and have a friendlier and more civil rapport, then we can ultimately put this all behind us and have the mutual respect that the Contributors group represents.

The language barrier and differences in cultures and idioms definitely is a factor in communities where there are people from all around the world. It sounds like it's been a factor here, where there have been some interactions that left me with a bad impression. Likewise, they probably haven't always given the right impression of me, either. That's unfortunate on both sides, and obviously what needs to be worked through here.

It seems to me that that's what's happened here. There has been some less-than-friendly interactions where I've been left with a bad impression, perhaps in part due to the language barrier, and that's never really been resolved. There's since been a misunderstanding and some frustration about the Contributors group, when in fact it was simply left unattended for too long due to the aforementioned issues. That frustration has led to some lashing out at me, which I can understand, but at the same time. it seemed to confirm my initial impressions. Again, it's unfortunately never been resolved, so it's become a vicious cycle.

In my bulletin in the NLSC Hub, I did want to highlight the importance of mutual respect and not being a jerk to me, the rest of the staff, or the community at large; not to move the goalposts or exclude anyone, but to make it clear what we expect of people if we're going to reward them with some profile perks. That condition has always been there when we've appointed Moderators, Team Members, and now Contributors. I feel like that's something that's gone unheeded at times, which is why I made a point of mentioning it. As long as we're all on the same page though, there's no problem. However, we're obviously not going to give anyone "status" or responsibilities if we feel we can't trust them to do the right thing, or we have some friction with them, and that's obviously where bad first impressions come in, even if they're wrong. Especially if they're wrong, in fact. As I also said, I do want to make sure that no elitism creeps into the group, and it doesn't become a point of contention in the community.

Anyway, that's how we got here. Now, we have to remedy it.

That means starting over, and letting bygones be bygones. I feel at this point, I know your expectations: to have your work acknowledged as it deserves, which includes Contributor status. That's absolutely fair. I too expect that my efforts are appreciated, and that when there are any issues with me or the site, they're brought to me in a friendly and civil manner so that I can sort them out as soon as I can. I'm happy to give honest answers and let you know what's going on, but I don't respond well to demands and snark, especially if there's a contentious relationship there to begin with; none of us should. I feel that's only fair, too.

Let's not have a contentious relationship, though. Let's start anew. Your work is outstanding, and your contributions are appreciated. So let's first mend this rift, and take things from there. We're not done adding to the Contributors group, after all. It's a situation where members will come and go, and membership will be evaluated according to whether someone is meeting the rules and conditions. To that end, gaining or losing membership isn't permanent, except under extraordinary circumstances.

In any event, if we can move on and have a friendlier and more civil rapport, then we can ultimately put this all behind us and have the mutual respect that the Contributors group represents.

I agree 100%. I'm certain Sko will agree, also. He's just a lazy dude from Poland who's sleeping instead of correcting a court color or contributing this conversation. Regardless of his laziness, I'm certain he will agree.

I have no problem and i can easily agree that i wasnt nice guy....but not without reason, all started 4years ago and since then im not easy goin dude here, i felt resentful and felt even worst after our last conversation a year ago, Andrew.
Because all of us are adults here, i think we should clear the air and left all of this behind us.

Sounds good to me.

The next additions to the group will be fairly soon (or so I intend, anyway), after I compile another shortlist. I'd like to make sure that no one else who's overdue gets overlooked for much longer. I'll be in touch when I'm about to post the announcements; if you haven't heard from me, it'll be because it's slipped my mind while I attend to other things. If that happens, just shoot me a message so I can get right on it, sometimes I do need a reminder. It's on my To Do list though, so I'll try to get it done ASAP in between a couple of other things I'm trying to finish off at present.

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URBBALL FAMILLY! THIS IS HUGE UPDATE FOR 2017 & whole project. To get newest update please re- download roster files and part 6 and part 8 only for 2k14.






Download link >>> click here


[ Image ]Click here to donate and make me feel my work is needed


Whats inside

- new 2016/2017 season/asso ready files

- Last trades included

- Updated few players ratings

- Updated Cavs court - now its 100% ACCURATE....right?

- New rookies cf, all made by Monzki


Previews :

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Whats next:

- BIG surprise is comming

Best patch in the world 100% realistic gameplay ! Slimm and Sko thanks !

@skoadam. im new on using your roster, do you recommend us to use seushiro animation mods or just use the default animation ? thanks.

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URBBALL FAMILLY! THIS IS HUGE UPDATE FOR 2017 & whole project. To get newest update please re- download roster files and part 6 and part 8 only for 2k14.






Download link >>> click here


[ Image ]Click here to donate and make me feel my work is needed


Whats inside

- new 2016/2017 season/asso ready files

- Last trades included

- Updated few players ratings

- Updated Cavs court - now its 100% ACCURATE....right?

- New rookies cf, all made by Monzki


Previews :

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Whats next:

- BIG surprise is comming

Best patch in the world 100% realistic gameplay ! Slimm and Sko thanks !

thx brodah thx for your help also