[Jhiane] Top 5 2013 Rookies Sigs!

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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: 20 Sigs Updates!!

Postby Jhiane on Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:24 pm

just added my 2012 rookies sig shots from 2k12, some of them have changes like Rivers, Waiters and Lillard
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: 20 Sigs Updates!!

Postby skoadam on Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:39 pm

updated thx.
btw. where is option fuc...g awesome realistic?
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: 20 Sigs Updates!!

Postby Jhiane on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:20 pm

lol :mrgreen: still working for retros bro, I'm having a hard time to find them..
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: KD,Westbrook,Parsons + more!

Postby Jhiane on Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:52 pm

:idea: Update :idea:
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: KD,Westbrook,Parsons + more!

Postby skoadam on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:29 pm

i think u boring with my posts but yes straight in my roster.
oops hoopjunkie vote for unrealistic .....joke :D
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: KD,Westbrook,Parsons + more!

Postby Jhiane on Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:33 am

i wonder who voted for unrealistic :mrgreen:
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: KD,Westbrook,Parsons + more!

Postby skoadam on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:32 pm

i wonder when :)
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: KD,Westbrook,Parsons + more!

Postby Mosquito on Fri Dec 21, 2012 8:03 am

Can somebody tell me how to apply all these sig shots changes to my nba2k13 ? And if it's possible that you put download link with all changes?
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: KD,Westbrook,Parsons + more!

Postby Jhiane on Fri Dec 21, 2012 11:21 am

go to edit player and change their shooting form and shot base
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: KD,Westbrook,Parsons + more!

Postby Medevenx on Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:30 pm

Your Chris Bosh Form and Base are off.. Try Shooting Form 7 and Shot Base 38

Why did you change Durant's base to 29 anyway when it's practically the exact same animation as K Durant base? There are a LOT of cloned animations for both bases AND forms.
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: KD,Westbrook,Parsons + more!

Postby Jhiane on Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:25 pm

yeah, 29 is just the same with the default KD shot base and its not really an issue.. r7 js38 for Bosh? hmm, i hope so, but still prefer mine.. It depends on the taste of the user/roster creator whether they will use it or not :)
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Re: [Jhiane] Sig Shots: KD,Westbrook,Parsons + more!

Postby Medevenx on Mon Dec 24, 2012 4:30 pm

Jhiane wrote:yeah, 29 is just the same with the default KD shot base and its not really an issue.. r7 js38 for Bosh? hmm, i hope so, but still prefer mine.. It depends on the taste of the user/roster creator whether they will use it or not :)


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Watch this. This has Bosh's many jumpshots

If your jumpshot choice is more on preference then it really isn't realism. There's bias and that automatically makes it not realistic. Anyway just check it out.

Also look at Kevin Garnett Shot Form 31 Shot Base Set Shot 4. Not so sure about this one but I'm sure the Bosh one is accurate.
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Tue Jan 15, 2013 4:50 pm

:new: New Updates :idea:
New Ray Allen
New E'Twaun Moore
New Matt Barnes
New Danilo Gallinari
Hedo Turkoglu
Nikola Vucevic
Tim Duncan
Isiah Thomas(Kings)
Jordan Hill
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby King Mellow on Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:17 pm

Very realistic! Thumbs up! (Y) (Y)
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Wed Jan 16, 2013 2:23 pm

thanks bro :)
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Marek on Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:28 pm

Thanks for these :-)
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Mishmushkela on Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:28 am

Hey could you do Dirk ?? PLEASE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwMVC22N3pw

Look at about 1:09....would be great if you could do a jumper like that!
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:05 am

I'm sorry but there's no other better than default for Dirk. Or you may choose T.Evans as shot base :)
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby SunnyDove on Fri Jan 18, 2013 6:01 pm

I completely disagree with 72-25 for Carmelo. All that combination captures is the speed of his release. Unfortunately, Melo is a shooter that dramatically changes his shot depending on circumstances so it's impossible to really get his jumper in 2K13 with the limited options we have.

... But any of the following is a better animation than 72-25:
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27 - 31
27 - Carmelo Anthony
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Rudy Gay - Carmelo Anthony
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57 - 31
57 - Carmelo Anthony

Watch either of these. Plenty of shots to observe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws-1i87ADNQ
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby prefontaine on Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:25 pm

J. Terry 56 22
B. Bass 46 6
I think this is much better. Your opinion?
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:40 am

those signature shots of mine are not really 100% on how a real players shoots. that was the closest that i can get. for Melo, I saw him shooting with quick release in many games just like Westbrook sometimes they have quick releases shots. sometimes a player changes their stroke when in rythym or in a wide open spot
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Derrick Rose on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:17 am

Heheh
when is the next update?
is it okay if i use this on my custom roster?
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:55 pm

yes sure you can. feel free to use it. it was just a signatures research :)
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Karamba on Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:03 pm

Have some FT in NBA watched.

Tristan Thompson = Free throw shooting without contact with the ground means Tyrus Thomas-style
Will Barton = Kevin Durant style
Damian Lillard = the same style as Thompson without contact means JR Smith style.

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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby JBulls on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:13 pm

Richard Hamilton should be Release 69, Jump Shot 30 imo, release 3 and jumpshot 40 looks weird
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:28 am

I watched Rip shooting drills on youtube lately and the r3 js40 was pretty similar
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby JBulls on Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:39 am

Jhiane wrote:I watched Rip shooting drills on youtube lately and the r3 js40 was pretty similar

do you have a link?
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:36 pm

you can watch it on youtube
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby JBulls on Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:49 pm

Jhiane wrote:you can watch it on youtube


Obviously, but I was asking for which video you used as reference.
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:41 pm

I already forgot it bro, but you can use a search tag "richard hamilton shooting" thanks for the concern
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby SunnyDove on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:00 pm

@Jhiane For Camelo, have you tried John Wall - Carmelo Anthony? I just discovered this combination and it's another decent option. I don't particularly like the way he pulls his shooting hand back after the release but the release itself is similar to his true shot. You should really change it away from 72-25--it's not realistic at all and looks silly. I usually stick to Gay - Anthony. It's very accurate except Melo's release is more a flick like the Steve Nash release (where his fingers end up pointing downward).

Here are a few looks from different angles of Carmelo's usual jump shot.
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Also, Hund and Brave are more realistic FT than Spider.
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:13 pm

i just referred my sigs on him when he's on the transition and pulls up a jumper. that's why i put r72 on him
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:13 pm

i just referred my sigs on him when he's on the transition and pulls up a jumper. that's why i put r72 on him
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby SunnyDove on Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:19 pm

Okay... Well, he is an isolation player. Most of the time, he is going to get the ball on the wing and use triple threat position. Would you rather have a realistic jumper for when he pulls up in transition once~twice per game or for the 20 other shots he takes on isolation plays/mid-range catch-and-shoot/etc? Release 72 looks ridiculous on escape dribble pull-up, post fadeaway, momentum shots, etc.

EDIT: Sorry if I'm coming off as annoying but I'm just trying to help you. I watch every single Knicks game, Melo is my favorite player, and all I play on 2K is my Knicks Association.
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:20 pm

it's ok, as i see you're a Melo fan :D if i have time, I will review Melo's sig shot
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby zivco on Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:22 am

I don't like Aron Afflalo signature shot. It's to quick and mechanic. He has more follow\pushing thru type of shot.
Generic is better, it just need to be lifted a bit with legs correction.
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:44 pm

what is Generic's sigs for Afflalo?
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby lethal on Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:27 pm

When are you going to release again?
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:48 pm

maybe this week I will find some sigs :)
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby lethal on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:05 pm

nice one :D
Better have good ones like the one you put on uncle Drew or kyrie!
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby zivco on Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:14 pm

Jhiane wrote:what is Generic's sigs for Afflalo?

It is: release 65, jump shot 12.
If you have time, take a look - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G62wF3Gu6jw
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:23 pm

wow, are you sure its jump shot 12? :|
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby PhilJackson on Tue Feb 05, 2013 10:47 pm

Wow , just saw this ..
This is great !!
BTW is this the players real shots in the game ?
Great Job though (Y)
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:06 am

yes bro, i do this to make the players shoot like in reality as real as i can. but don't expect too much realism. this is just a video game
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Phreezy P on Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:59 am

An alternative base for Ray Allen is A. Igoudala. It is slower but it replicates some of Ray's off balance shots.
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby lethal on Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:52 pm

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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:55 pm

I already find out a more realistic Carmelo Anthony, and I'm still working in a 3 players for each team so a total of 90 sig shots to come :wink:
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby lethal on Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:07 pm

Jhiane wrote:I already find out a more realistic Carmelo Anthony, and I'm still working in a 3 players for each team so a total of 90 sig shots to come :wink:

Huge update
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby xianpauL on Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:53 pm

when will be the release of the big update? ;D
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Re: [Jhiane] Vucevic,Duncan,Thomas,Hill + more!

Postby Jhiane on Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:24 am

i will post it when i finish it. no timetable yet
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