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Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Update!

Postby Fifedawg on Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:36 am

Version 2.3 has been released. Now 2k12 Compatible. Fixed 3pt Shooting Tendency and added Vertical attribute along Player Shot Abilities.

Please take time out to read the FAQ included in the download. Enjoy!

*Version 2.1 with Jump Shot Fix:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/f81i7x

*Version 2.2 with More Tendencies fixes
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vquu78

*Version 2.3 2k12 Compatible
http://www.sendspace.com/file/nn64fi
Feel free to use as needed, but if you do use please just give a simple Shout Out.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.0

Postby shadowgrin on Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:00 am

Dunno if it helps but for Hard Foul Tendency the rating value I use is Commit Foul Tendency divided by 2 (then roundup or down, up to you). Hard Foul Tendency rating in the 20's is already sufficient to see some occasional hard fouls here and there in the past versions of the game.
If you really want to be stat-based, I guess you can try finding a stat listing of flagrant fouls done by players.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.0

Postby WithAuthority on Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:21 am

Just looking it over, there are alot of inaccuracies in the ratings formula, especially in certain catagories. They didnt produce very realistic sim stats in 2k11 either.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.0

Postby shadowgrin on Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:56 am

Just so you know, Rashidi (TheReal2KInsider) has said that 2K changed their ratings formula for 2K12, based on his findings. So any formula you used for 2K11 might not produce the same results as in 2K12.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.0

Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:48 am

Thanks for the release, added here:
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.0

Postby Fifedawg on Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:48 am

All the formula's have been re-done, that's why this is version 2.0. Any inaccuracies will be re-evaluated once I start game testing.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.0

Postby WithAuthority on Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:22 pm

Fifedawg wrote:All the formula's have been re-done, that's why this is version 2.0. Any inaccuracies will be re-evaluated once I start game testing.



The on-ball defense ratings in particular are really inflated where they shouldnt be. Nortorious bad defenders have 90+ on ball defense ratings. And of course theres still the problem of guys who only played a few minutes or games with really inflated stats, which i guess this doesnt take into account. thats why theres scrubs who played a dozen games in their career with 99 steal and rebound ratings. Ive noticed that the formula does work well with shot ratings though
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.0

Postby Fifedawg on Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:13 pm

Amber, please pm with a list of players you feel are over rated on On Ball Defense and I'll take a look at it. On Ball Defense formula is based on players Quickness, Steal Ratings and the Defensive Win Shares & Defensive Rating off the Basketball Reference website. Now On Ball Defense was rated to be comparible number wise to players Medium Shot Ratings and Players Speed and Quickness since this is what this rating directly effects so that may be the reason you see ratings that are higher than what you think they should be. But again play testing will give me a better idea on what needs to adjusted.

Most of the players are based on per minute played rather than a per game basis so that's why you see high ratings on guys that played very few games or very few minutes. Those players may rebound per minute better than say a Dwight Howard or a Wilt Chamberlain but this is counteracted by the fact that those players tire very rapidly and are not very durable. Of course, if these players where added to a Season Mod then they would have to be adjusted down from a overall rating standpoint to decrease there value but the reason they are rated the way they are is to try to recreate the numbers they got in the minutes that they played.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.1

Postby tnt23 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:51 am

Thanks a lot for this! it s amazing work!
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby anastasis16 on Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:57 pm

thx man, this is very useful (Y)
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Fifedawg on Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:51 pm

Thanks! I will be doing more adjustments to the spreadsheet as I continue to do play testing.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby jayatsena on Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:59 pm

thx bro, i find it very helpfull
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Rico560 on Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:29 pm

Hey Fifedawg, could you also put Abilities section in your ratings? You see, there's this Ability section in editing a player in 2k12 where you'll choose Poor, Average, Good or Great. I'm having hard time on editing it without any basis. If you can do that, this Rating Encyclopedia will be a complete package. Also, make your own game sliders to fit exactly with your ratings and produce a realistic result on players' stats. Thanks a lot bro.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Fifedawg on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:03 pm

Rico560 wrote:Hey Fifedawg, could you also put Abilities section in your ratings? You see, there's this Ability section in editing a player in 2k12 where you'll choose Poor, Average, Good or Great. I'm having hard time on editing it without any basis. If you can do that, this Rating Encyclopedia will be a complete package. Also, make your own game sliders to fit exactly with your ratings and produce a realistic result on players' stats. Thanks a lot bro.


The spreadsheet really needs to be updated to fit the NBA 2k12 roster format i agree with you, but i have left it the same for all the folks still using 2k11and i'll probably leave it in the same format until I see next years game. HOWEVER for those who use the spreadsheet for 2k12 here's how you should weight the Abilities.

When rating Shooting use either the players Medium Shot Rating or Three Point Shot Rating (which ever is higher). If Medium Shot Rating is higher use the chart below. Use the point total it equals out to and apply the points as you see fit to the attributes. Now if you give a player a Poor Rating you use 0 points for an Average Rating you use 1 point for a Good Rating you use 2 points and for a Great Rating you use 3 points. For Example lets use Larry Bird's 1987-88 Season. Bird has a 90 Medium Rating and a 92 3 pt rating. Since his 3 pt rating is higher than use the second chart below and you get 14 points (92=14). You take those 14 points and spread it out over his Shooting ability ratings. So I can make his Fadeway (3 points), Dribble Pull Up (3 points), Spin Jumper (3 points), Stepback Jumper (3 points) all a Great Rating and that will add up to 12. Now I can a Good Rating to his Runner (2 points) and use up all the 14 points allocated because of his rating. Always allocate the points as you see fit.

If Medium Shot Rating is higher use this chart:
92=15 points
91-88=14
87-84=13
83-81=12
80-77=11
76-74=10
73-71=9
72-67=8
66-64=7
63-60=6
62-57=5
56-54=4
53-50=3
49-47=2
46-43=1
42-40=0

If Three Point Shot Rating is higher use this Chart:
99=15 points
98-94=14
93-90=13
89-86=12
85-83=11
82-79=10
78-75=9
74-71=8
70-67=7
66-63=6
62-59=5
58-55=4
54-52=3
51-48=2
47-44=1
43-25=0

For Layup/Dunk Ability (Use Rating that is the highest)
99=9
98-91=8
90-83=7
82-74=6
73-66=5
65-58=4
57-50=3
49-41=2
40-33=1
32-25=0

For Dribbling (Use Players Off Hand Dribbling Rating with Position Adjustment.
For Guards-No Adjustment
For Guard/Forwards-Divide Off Hand Dribbling Rating by 1.2
For Forwards/Guards-Divide by 1.3
For Small Forwards-Divide by 1.4
For Power Forwards-Divide by 1.5
For Forward/Centers-Divide by 1.7
For Center/Forwards-Divide by 1.8
For Centers-Divide by 2.0
98=21
97-94=20
93-90=19
89-87=18
86-83=17
82-80=16
79-76=15
75-73=14
72-70=13
69-66=12
65-63=11
62-59=10
58-56=9
55-52=8
51-49=7
48-46=6
45-42=5
41-39=4
38-35=3
34-32=2
31-28=1
27-25=0

For Post Moves use Players Offensive Low Post Rating
99=21
98-95=20
94-92=19
91-88=18
87-85=17
84-81=16
80-78=15
77-74=14
73-71=13
70-67=12
66-64=11
63-60=10
59-57=9
56-53=8
52-50=7
49-46=6
45-43=5
42-39=4
38-36=3
35-32=2
31-29=1
28-25=0

I'll be releasing a new version soon. I've been doing alot of game testing and there will be adjustments to Old School Players 3 Point Tendency and also adjustments to players Spot Up, Pull Up & Touches Tendencies.

As for Sliders here is what I'm currently using.
OFFENSE
Inside Shot Success=49
Close Shot Success=46
Mid-Range Success=44
3pt Success=47
Layup Success=50
Dunk Success=51
Dunk in Traffic Success=49
Pass Accuracy=42 (To Give Accurate Turnover Numbers)
Alley-Oop Success=50
Contact Shot Success=43
DEFENSE
Driving Contact Shot Frequency=83
Inside Contact Shot Frequency=83
Help Defense Strength=50
Steal Success=50
ATTRIBUTES
All 50 Except for Offensive Rebounding=75
TENDENCIES
Take Inside Shots=100
Take Close Shots=100
Take Mid-Range Shots=100 (I like a more up tempo game)
Take 3 pt Shots=45
Attack the Basket=50
Look for Post Players=75
Everything else is 50
FOULS
Over the Back Foul Frequency=100
Charging Foul Frequency=100
Blocking Foul Frequency=100
Reaching Foul Frequency=90
Shooting Foul Frequency=83
Loose Ball Frequency=100
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Rico560 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 3:29 am

How about tendencies and hotspots? You left a lot of tendencies untouched. I'm having trouble of tendencies in shooting and dribbling like how often a player use a fadeaway or use crossover, stuff like that.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Fifedawg on Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:53 am

Rico560 wrote:How about tendencies and hotspots? You left a lot of tendencies untouched. I'm having trouble of tendencies in shooting and dribbling like how often a player use a fadeaway or use crossover, stuff like that.


There are some ratings and tendencies untouched because stats can't determine who often a guy shoots a certain shot or performs a certain dribble. All the information on the spreadsheet are rated based on a players stats so therefore i can't integrate the two. My suggestion would be to just watch alot of tape of old school players on Youtube if you are doing those. Think about the era the player played in when editing dribble or shot tendencies.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Rico560 on Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:15 pm

I'm having trouble with the triple threat tendencies. You can see in 2k11 that there are Pump Fakes, Triple Threat, No Triple Threat. But in 2K12, there is one more additional, Triple Threat Shot, the tendency of a player to shoot from triple threat. How do you do this?
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Rico560 on Sun Feb 05, 2012 1:32 pm

Fifedawg, sorry for bugging you but can I know all the formulas you use for the ratings? If it's ok with you. Just PM me. thanks
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Fifedawg on Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:27 am

Rico560 wrote:I'm having trouble with the triple threat tendencies. You can see in 2k11 that there are Pump Fakes, Triple Threat, No Triple Threat. But in 2K12, there is one more additional, Triple Threat Shot, the tendency of a player to shoot from triple threat. How do you do this?


Just use the same rating as either the players Medium Shot Rating or Three Point Shot Rating. Which ever is higher.

Rico560 wrote:Fifedawg, sorry for bugging you but can I know all the formulas you use for the ratings? If it's ok with you. Just PM me. thanks


Sorry but I can't release my formula's, but I can't teach you how to do your own.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby tenedordvd on Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:21 pm

Hello friend
a query:
When will you have the statistics list the end of the regular season 2011-2012?

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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Fifedawg on Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:32 am

Spreadsheet Version 2.3 will be released this weekend. Totally compatible with 2k12. I've been game testing the new ratings and tendencies and they work great.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby JaoSming on Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:43 am

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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby Infernales on Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:03 pm

Woot! :)

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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2011 Ver 2.2

Postby tenedordvd on Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:17 pm

hello

for when you think you will be ready

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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby Fifedawg on Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:27 am

Version 2.3 is Up and Ready. 2k12 Compatible. Included is a Hot Sheet to help with other attributes, tendencies & abilities that are not included on the spreadsheet on the FAQ. Take the time to read the FAQ.

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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby Andrew on Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:51 am

Good stuff. Feel free to use our upload facilities in our new Downloads section too, we're trying to eliminate the need for external hosting for most files. :)
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby sevin0seven on Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:10 pm

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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby primetime024 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 11:31 am

AMAZING WORK ON THE SPREAD SHEET!!! (Y)


By any chance do you still have the coaching profile spread sheet for download? (the old thread has a dead link for it)
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby Fifedawg on Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:35 am

primetime024 wrote:AMAZING WORK ON THE SPREAD SHEET!!! (Y)


By any chance do you still have the coaching profile spread sheet for download? (the old thread has a dead link for it)


I can send it you bro. It still needs some work and right now I just don't have the time to work on it. The part that needs work is the Shot Tendencies, but an easy fix is to just change all the shot ratings (Inside, Close & Medium) to the same as the tempo rating. To come up with the 3pt Tendency you would take the tempo rating and multiply it by 3 and then take that number and multiply by .22572. If you still want it I can upload it for you.
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Postby primetime024 on Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:36 am

whatever is easier for you man! I was just going to use it as a baseline for the coaches for the 2000's decade but you don't have to upload it if its too much work. Sorry for the long delay too, been real busy with work :( .
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Postby ravena0123 on Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:31 pm

is this compatible when im playing coach mode?? I tried it to Rubio but he barely got an assist. I don't know what is wrong.... pls help.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby Fifedawg on Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:09 am

primetime024 wrote:whatever is easier for you man! I was just going to use it as a baseline for the coaches for the 2000's decade but you don't have to upload it if its too much work. Sorry for the long delay too, been real busy with work :( .


I'll see if I can't upload for you tonight or if you want I can just email it to you.

ravena0123 wrote:is this compatible when im playing coach mode?? I tried it to Rubio but he barely got an assist. I don't know what is wrong.... pls help.


The assist is in the game itself. Last year assists where given out too freely, but this year there's not as many. What I do that works for me is turn up the Pass Accuracy and that will give you a boost in your assists in coach mode.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby Reddwarf33 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:22 am

I remember reading an article in one of the forums that said only about 5 or 6 of the stats actually had any impact on how stat games played out and that the inside shot rating for almost all players in the nba should be around 99 because that equated to about 60% shooting under the basket. Did you ever read that thread and what did you make of it? :)
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby Fifedawg on Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:46 am

Reddwarf33 wrote:I remember reading an article in one of the forums that said only about 5 or 6 of the stats actually had any impact on how stat games played out and that the inside shot rating for almost all players in the nba should be around 99 because that equated to about 60% shooting under the basket. Did you ever read that thread and what did you make of it? :)


I would disagree with that, there are lots of things that go into creating a player to perform just like his real counterpart. But I would like to read it if you have a link..
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby Reddwarf33 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:03 am

Here is that link Fife - it makes interesting reading and the guy is obviously passionate about it even if he does get a bit carried away :D

https://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=317689

I'm interested in your comments because I'd like to "sim up" a few of the excellent mods that have recently come out, and IronMike's 87-88 one which is going to be immense :)
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Postby WithAuthority on Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:22 am

Reddwarf33 wrote:Here is that link Fife - it makes interesting reading and the guy is obviously passionate about it even if he does get a bit carried away :D

https://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=317689

I'm interested in your comments because I'd like to "sim up" a few of the excellent mods that have recently come out, and IronMike's 87-88 one which is going to be immense :)


Great read I dont think hes carried away at all. He says in his post he has an account and a roster he made on here, does nayone know what his username is? He has the best grasp on playing ratings and tendencies of anyone ive seen, id like to play with his roster.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Updat

Postby mtdub on Sun Nov 03, 2013 1:37 am

Can someone please reupload the version 2.3 2k12 compatible version the link is dead it says the file is no longer available. I have searched all over to see if version 2.3 was uploaded somewhere else but cant find it.
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Postby mtdub on Sun Nov 03, 2013 12:19 pm

^^ Thanks NIB, u well respected around here. I love your work on the UBR roster. I wasnt expectingg such a quick response.
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Postby NIB on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:56 am

We all work hard to earn those kind of things. Thx man! :D
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Update!

Postby lamebird on Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:31 pm

please, can someone help with the 2.3 version of the nba 2k12 player ratings encyclopedia because the links provided here are all expired.
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Update!

Postby Biggie Smalls on Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:10 pm

ey yo! can somebody please re upload the 2.3 version? all links provided above, as well as NIB's are dead. Thanks!
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Re: Ratings for all Players from 1951-2012 Ver 2.3 New Update!

Postby Andrew on Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:13 pm

Doesn't look like we have 2.3 in the Downloads section. Only 2.0, if it's of any use in the short term: The 2K12 Rating Encyclopedia

If someone does have 2.3 lying around and can put it up somewhere, I can update the file in our database.
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