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NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby JaoSming on Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:15 am

Wow

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27-September-2010
Over the past three years, EA SPORTS development teams have had a laser focus on creating titles packed with innovation and unsurpassed quality. The acclaim from fans and critics on most of our titles the past few years makes us proud and it also motivates us to keep getting better.
This year, we set extremely ambitious goals for our new franchise, NBA ELITE. We are creating a game that will introduce several breakthrough features that have been missing from the basketball genre. Unfortunately, NBA ELITE 11 is not yet ready and we have made a decision to delay next month’s launch. We are going to keep working until we’re certain we can deliver a breakthrough basketball experience.

In the meantime, the NBA season is just around the corner and we have a plan to keep our consumers close to the action:

    -NBA JAM will launch on the Wii, as scheduled, on October 5. NBA JAM won recognition this summer as the best sports game at E3 and it’s a blast to play. In addition to the Wii version, we’re going to ship NBA JAM as a standalone product on the Xbox360 and PS3 in time for the holidays. Watch for more news soon on the exact timing of that release.
    -For NBA LIVE 10 players, we will continue to offer free content and services throughout the 2010-11 season. We will start with a new roster update so you get all the players for the new season, free of charge. We will also provide free Dynamic DNA updates, daily, for the entire season. That’s a full season of basketball with new rosters and updates, free.

The decision to delay NBA ELITE was hard because the game has great promise. But ultimately we feel this is the right thing to do. We’ve been making steady progress on basketball for the past few years and it’s going to take extra time to make the game.

Why make this decision now? As with all of our titles, we continue to evaluate and improve the code right up until launch. Feedback from consumers is a very important part of the process . NBA ELITE had the benefit of play-testing, a demo and a lot of our own research. All that feedback revealed some concerns about gameplay polish, so we’ve listened to your feedback, and made a judgment that the game would benefit from more time in development.

I want to thank our NBA ELITE development team for their efforts to meet this year’s lofty goals, and we’re behind them as they continue their work. While no one is happy with this delay, we appreciate the support and ongoing feedback from our fans. We’ll have more information coming soon.




IMO this is what they should have done to begin with, especially with NBA Jam coming to 360/PS3 Standalone....still surprising they are doing this so close to the launch.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby ThaLiveKing on Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:25 am

Yeah I just got this e-mail!!!

Edit: Thanks GOD!! They really had to do this!!! Hopefully they'll add some NBA Live 10 Elements to Elite!!!
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby JaoSming on Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:34 am

I'd rather see them add some NBA Elite 12 elements.

Anyway, Gamestop now has a release date of March 31, 2011. Walmart and Amazon removed any release date information.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby formx on Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:37 am

JaoSming wrote:I'd rather see them add some NBA Elite 12 elements.

Anyway, Gamestop now has a release date of March 31, 2011. Walmart and Amazon removed any release date information.

Is it me or do I have a feeling that NBA Elite 11 will be canceled just like Madden NFL 96 on the PS1.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby HyP82 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:50 am

It's a good decision. To give at least a chance to have decent game's sales.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby formx on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:12 am

HyP82 wrote:It's a good decision. To give at least a chance to have decent game's sales.

Ya, but EA always releases a sports game in time and is never delayed. But on the other hand they can improve the game to be better and have the sales similar to the FIFA and NHL series.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby HyP82 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:30 am

They had to do that. If they had released the game now, sales will have been really bad. With people comparing it to 2k11.
I don't think the sales will be similar to Fifa or NHL series.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby ThaLiveKing on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:33 am

Honestly, They need to hire a BIG Dev team for Elite, similar to what they had last year. . one for graphics, one for gamplay, one for all the modes etc. I'm sure those Devs were working like slaves cause it doesn't seem that a lot of people were working on the game. It looks like they were understaffed, judging by how the game came out. Then again, that's how these companies like to work their employees LOL. They need to get some bball heads, junkies to get involved with their game, bring culture to it. Live 10 had all that. . you add the ESPN Brand and the game would come out amazing. Gameplay is always #1 priority. They need to really fill in the gaps with the animation movements. This is really good news, for this years game. But for Elite 12, they gotta add elements to their game
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby formx on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:37 am

All this happening after Mike Wang left EA and rejoined 2k
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Lamrock on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:37 am

Wow. Delayed indefinitely a week before release! Probably a good move. Game's Metascore would have likely been in the 50's (the equivalent of a film scoring in the teens) and its not like it would have sold much anyway (2k11 was killing it on the home page poll - and this is a Live fan site!). Awfully embarrassing and unusual though.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby JaoSming on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:43 am

Lamrock wrote: (2k11 was killing it on the home page poll - and this is a Live fan site!).


I think we are better categorized as a PC Basketball Fan Site :wink:

formyhunny wrote:All this happening after Mike Wang left EA and rejoined 2k


True, but he left for the direction the series was going in. He probably got wind of the NHL developers coming in and left because of that. His leaving EA has nothing to do with what Elite became. They simply tried too much in too little of a time. Looks like they are doing what I (and many others) thought they should do, skip Elite 11, release Jam on all consoles, hit them hard next year with Elite 12. I don't see them being able to properly sell a delayed game for $60. I really don't.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Axel. on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:48 am

So the Release Date Countdown goes right out the fucking window? Well, I guess we can consider it the release date countdown for 2K11. :lol:
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby JaoSming on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:52 am

and NBA Jam
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby formx on Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:58 am

JaoSming wrote:skip Elite 11, release Jam on all consoles, hit them hard next year with Elite 12. I don't see them being able to properly sell a delayed game for $60. I really don't.

Yeah it would be hard unless if it is released for half the price.
Off-Topic: I feel the same way as you guys do but instead for the game LBP 2, it was going to be released in november but now it is in January :evil: .
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Deyman on Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:10 am

Well I guess it's a good thing. EA has time to polish their game.Probably improve the gameplay and/or fixing glitches. Not saying I knew that it would happen,but I thought something like this would happen due to people giving the demo a negative review. I guess the NBA Elite fans have to wait a little longer. I'm sorta glad NBA Jam will be released alone though so I don't have to buy Elite. I'm guessing they're going to put it up on PSN/XBL
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby volsey on Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:11 am

Wow no matter how terrible the game I did not expect this. All in all doesn't affect me as I had no intention of purchasing it. But in all honesty I did not think the game was all the bad from the demo. I mean I expected bad, and it was slightly worse than what I expected, which by now should have been expected :D .

I respect them for doing this, if this had been three or four years ago this game would be in the process of shipping right now, as no matter how bad the product was, a lot of people would still buy it as Live was THE basketball game. Now that 2k has picked up popularity, and built up so much hype for the new game, it has forced EA to do the same, and they came to compete.

That being said I think they'll still make a lot of sales from Jam alone, and come March, Live will sell. Smart gameplan overall.

BTW anyone else been thinking lately how different Madden might be if 2k still had an NFL game? It's obvious that 2k's success had a play in where Live is now, and the direction it's been taking lately, it's a shame Madden stands all by itself.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby atlwarrior on Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:18 am

YES! :D EA actually did wat I said. Nba live 10 here i come again!

attention deficit wrote:Well like ive said before Andrew, EA knows that visuals are just as important as controls and cannot possibly think this game looks like basketball. If they do then thats beyond me but im going to assume they dont. Im not cutting them any slack and i dont feel bad for them. If they knew the animations would take a fall then why not take another year to fix them and release the game in 2012. Thats common sense. Instead they chose to hype everybody up for disappointment. They shouldve just released NBA JAM as its own game and kept updating Nba live 10 with rosters and patches to fix Dynasty and waited to release Elite in 2012. Alot more people wouldve just settled with that.


edit: Well lets hope they dont release it til 2012 Jao.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby JaoSming on Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:21 am

Yaw is making it sound like it's not going to come out at all

Wal Mart will not be shipping out any copies for now as the game is delayed. I will have to look into your pre-order if it means it will transfer over to next year. When I get that info I will let you know.


hardly a confirmation...but still
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby HyP82 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:25 am

volsey wrote: BTW anyone else been thinking lately how different Madden might be if 2k still had an NFL game? It's obvious that 2k's success had a play in where Live is now, and the direction it's been taking lately, it's a shame Madden stands all by itself.


It could also have been like Fifa and PES series.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby formx on Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:27 am

JaoSming wrote:Yaw is making it sound like it's not going to come out at all

Wal Mart will not be shipping out any copies for now as the game is delayed. I will have to look into your pre-order if it means it will transfer over to next year. When I get that info I will let you know.


hardly a confirmation...but still

At least they can use a whole year to make the game better and make it into NBA Elite 12
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby rizzlekayandretti on Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:33 am

yall let all these 2k fanboys mess up the release date because they the main 1s complaining you developers listen to people who are gonna hate the game with a passion no matter what i was a die hard live fan since 1998 and once i paid my elite 11 preorder off saturday just to hear sum bs like this on a monday was so ridiculous with oct 5th right around the corner i can never forgive for ea this this is by far the dumbest move ever by a company its offical im with 2k and i dont care what anyone die hard ea fan says its unacceptable you will listen to the competiton before you listen to your own fanbase im truly not a elite fan anymore this is some real bullshit no lie
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby atlwarrior on Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:52 am



Im guessing late 2011. This would make the most sense.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby HisGreatness on Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:27 am

yeah its because they cannot make the fucking gameplay well., you looked at the fucking glitches that have been posted this forum., in the first they are really confident on competing the 2k11 because of the physics engine and introducing what is elite well it is a suck basketball ever(nba live 10 is a lot better than that)
but after months have passed they didnt know that nba 2k would really deliver and revamped there game and startled and suprise nba delete 11 seriously
thats why i thought that the nba delete 11 would deliver suprisingly for the upcoming month before the demo but the result is suck only the game modes and features are only there not gameplay coz it is ughh :x
thats why is good only for talking introducing but not the action
2k is like a actions speaks louder than words because they did not hesitate on releasing there game improvements and also they are patience
not like delete 11 so impatience to introduce there game of worse
also you cannot blame mike wang why did he leave EA right?
so end of the year for elite or delete 11

in other words nba live 10 is a lot more excellent
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Sauru on Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:46 am

lol this is some funny shit. soooooo does nba 2k have an option to change controls?
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Houndy on Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:48 am

EA, smart move. Skip 2011, build on Elite for Elite 2012
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby J@3 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:28 pm

Lol @ this... best decision to make though.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Axel. on Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:46 pm

Sauru wrote:lol this is some funny shit. soooooo does nba 2k have an option to change controls?

2K doesn't have an option to change controls, but you can either use the shot button, or the sticks.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby J@3 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:50 pm

You can change the controls in 2K10. I have a setting so that the B button is crossover and the Y button is spin move, so I don't have to use isomotion. Can't think of why it wouldn't be the same in 2k11
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:53 pm

Re-posting my reactions from the front page:

I was not as unhappy with the demo as a lot of people, but I was clearly in the minority there (and certainly do not dispute the criticisms made of the animations and certain other issues). With such an overwhelmingly negative response, it's clear that NBA Elite 11 in its current form - even if the demo was a couple of weeks behind the final build - was not going to be well-received, nor sell very well at all. Embarrassment and a huge PR nightmare appeared to be looming.

Announcing the delay so close to the scheduled release isn't that much better from a PR standpoint and I think it's fair to say EA is still going to receive a fair amount of scorn for the decision. At the same time however, I think most people can see this as a good move given the circumstances and if it allows them time to improve the game and get a quality product out there, the long term benefits are going to offset any heat in the short term.

A quote from Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto on the several delays of The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time for the Nintendo 64 comes to mind:

"A bad game that gets delayed is eventually good. But a bad game that isn't is bad forever."


Now, let me stress that I'm not trying to draw too many parallels between NBA Elite 11 and Ocarina of Time itself, the latter being an iconic and bonafide classic game. I'm not suggesting NBA Elite 11 will achieve that status; there's too much to be done to appease the fanbase, NBA 2K11 is extremely stiff competition with everything they've done this year and basketball games in general are not thought of as all-time greats, even amongst sports titles. Furthermore, Ocarina of Time was just that awesome.

What I'm getting at is that Miyamoto's assertion about video game delays has merit. Releasing NBA Elite 11 as-is and then releasing a fix might've been alright, but the sales and the reaction would've been nowhere near what EA wanted. By delaying the game, they've got a chance to put community feedback to use, take extra time that they probably always needed given all the things they were looking to change this year and add the necessary polish to make the game a success.

It's still going to be an uphill battle, of course. If NBA Elite 11 does come out at some point and isn't scrapped in favour of taking another year to try and bounce back with NBA Elite 12, it's going to have to contend with NBA 2K11's complete domination of the market. It'll take some appealing gimmicks, a very impressive second demo and maybe even a price drop to penetrate that market with a later release. It therefore wouldn't be too surprising if NBA Elite 11 is never released in favour of moving on to next year but EA are obviously leaving the door open.

Hopefully, the delay will allow us as a community to help fix the problems we saw in the NBA Elite 11 demo and make the postponement worthwhile. I strongly suggest we jump on any opportunity to provide constructive feedback and definitely not shy away from posting detailed opinions and suggestions. "This sucks" and "EA sucks" are not going to accomplish anything. There's a time and a place to express those sentiments of course but if we're presented with an opportunity to make the delay worthwhile, then I feel we have to make the most of it.

The decision to release NBA Jam as a standalone game on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 is definitely a good move and appeases 360/PS3 users who might not have liked the look of NBA Elite 11 and had to look on with envy at all the extra content in the Wii version. Likewise, offering continued free DNA updates and online support for NBA Live 10 in the interim is a solid decision from a PR standpoint. It's necessary damage control, though if we could get another fix for some of the issues in NBA Live 10 then that would be fantastic. I don't think we should hold out much hope there.

It's surprising news and certainly not something I would've expected even with the negative reactions to the demo, but this needn't be bad news. There are still question marks and no guarantees, but this is an opportunity to turn a negative into a positive for EA Sports and their basketball franchise. I for one am planning on doing whatever I can from a community standpoint to make the most of the delay, while hoping for the best. In the meantime, I guess my NBA Live 06 Dynasty, NBA 2K11 and eventually NBA Jam will be giving me my basketball video gaming fill.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby formx on Tue Sep 28, 2010 12:57 pm

"A bad game that gets delayed is eventually good. But a bad game that isn't is bad forever."

Apparently Duke Nukem Forever is good?
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:13 pm

formyhunny wrote:Apparently Duke Nukem Forever is good?


Hey, seems like we'll actually find out.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Pdub on Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:43 pm

Sauru wrote:lol this is some funny shit. soooooo does nba 2k have an option to change controls?


Yeah, you can even change the RS to a dribble stick.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby wabenne on Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:04 pm

As I stated after playing the demo I felt like the Live Brand was dead, I think that is now proven with the announcement of a delay. I think the negative reactions made EA feel like they can't put this game out or they would lose way more money and respect then they would for not putting it out. So while they had to do it, its a lose-lose situation. I agree with something Andrew said, as far as them delaying it them may actually play a bigger price then if they released it.

To Have 2k dominate because it really has no competition it is going to please its 2k base and casual fans who played either or and now are going to get settled in on 2k and then its even going to pull some Live fans because they have no game to play. I think if they still tried to put out Elite it would have already lose to much value and sometimes if you miss your chance at a first impression then the 2nd won't even be worth it,I kind of feel like Live will definetly be looked at now as a 2nd option instead of a competative game. This is a bad day for Live fans even worse then the demo.

The mistake I believe that made is they tried to be so much better by being so much different. Live 2010 was a very good game and didn't need all of these new inventions more less it didn't need to be rebuild it just needed to be built on top of. I think the changes were to much for everybody and then focused so much on the changes that they forgot about the look of the game. If there is anything that they should have took from 2k its the fact that 2k continues to build on top of its games its inventions are only additions while Live's additions are by subtracting or removing stuff that we liked and are use to. Today is a very sad day for me in gaming
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:22 pm

wabenne wrote:So while they had to do it, its a lose-lose situation. I agree with something Andrew said, as far as them delaying it them may actually play a bigger price then if they released it.


In the short term, most likely. In the long term, perhaps not.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby bronco_4_ever on Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:27 pm

This is very disapointing, even if they try to fix it haters are still gonna be haters, i was actually looking forward to the game. I really dont get it 2k fans are so ignorant they will not try the game when it comes out so why delay its release date and knowing that it will come out next year hurt even more, i will never get 2k11 because its horrible, its not horrible because i cant play its horrible because of the horrible gamplay and graphics, so more live 10 I guess
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Sauru on Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:28 pm

Pdub wrote:
Sauru wrote:lol this is some funny shit. soooooo does nba 2k have an option to change controls?


Yeah, you can even change the RS to a dribble stick.



really now i might just have to pick it as i actually wanted to get back into video ball this year
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby formx on Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:31 pm

Andrew wrote:Hey, seems like we'll actually find out.

Will that mean Gran Turismo 5 according to Kayne will be the best game of all time due to it's numerous delays?
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:34 pm

bronco_4_ever wrote:This is very disapointing, even if they try to fix it haters are still gonna be haters, i was actually looking forward to the game. I really dont get it 2k fans are so ignorant they will not try the game when it comes out so why delay its release date and knowing that it will come out next year hurt even more, i will never get 2k11 because its horrible, its not horrible because i cant play its horrible because of the horrible gamplay and graphics, so more live 10 I guess


I agree that there will always be haters but this isn't something that 2K fans have forced. The negative reception came from everywhere, hardcore Live fans included and when it gets to that point, it's obviously going to make EA re-think releasing the game as-is. I, like you, came away from the demo far more positive than most but we are in the scant minority, so it's safe to say NBA Elite 11 was not going to be well received. If it means they can iron out some issues, I think it's worth it.

formyhunny wrote:Will that mean Gran Turismo 5 according to Kayne will be the best game of all time due to it's numerous delays?


Maybe. But just to clarify again, I'm not saying NBA Elite 11 will be the best game of all time because it's being delayed. Just that the delay might not necessarily be a bad thing, indeed hopefully it'll be for the best.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby formx on Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:43 pm

rizzlekayandretti wrote:yall let all these 2k fanboys mess up the release date because they the main 1s complaining you developers listen to people who are gonna hate the game with a passion no matter what i was a die hard live fan since 1998 and once i paid my elite 11 preorder off saturday just to hear sum bs like this on a monday was so ridiculous with oct 5th right around the corner i can never forgive for ea this this is by far the dumbest move ever by a company its offical im with 2k and i dont care what anyone die hard ea fan says its unacceptable you will listen to the competiton before you listen to your own fanbase im truly not a elite fan anymore this is some real bullshit no lie

LOL! This guy posted the exact same thing on the EA forums
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/30/2609706.page#8591100
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Alphasim on Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:55 pm

(First off, this was taken from my blog, which is why I ramble with clarifications and such that are redundant when posted here. I was worried it would get incoherent if I tried to clean it up.)

Um, wow. Consider me shocked. I didn’t like the Xbox 360 demo this year (then again, I’ve not really liked a next gen EA Sports basketball game to date) but this came completely out of left field. I personally didn’t think the demo was substantially worse then previous EA Sports b-ball games. It featured the same robotic animations, over-saturated coloring and stiff control as in past games, with some confusing new controller-input changes added on top. EA had allot to lose by putting this product head-to-head with NBA 2K11, which has a head of steam going, hype-wise, with the new features, improved graphics and the inclusion of Michael Jordan (something EA did back in 1999 with NBA Live 2000). However, this delay could be very dangerous to EA’s basketball brand.

First they renamed the venerable NBA Live series, giving up name recognition in the process. Now they’re missing the opening gate and giving 2K Sports a head start. This could lead to neutral fans who would normally flock to Live because of the name to go to NBA 2K11. What happens there is anyone’s guess. They may get attached to the new brand, or they could get turned off on basketball games as a whole. It almost gives me the vibes from 989 Sports’ NBA Shootout series that EA’s game killed off. 989 skipped Shootout 2002 (on the PS2) to perfect their product but never really got back in the game. Eerily, it was NBA Shootout that was originally trying new and unconventional things to hang with NBA Live on the original PlayStation (such as their unique create-a-dunk feature), which reminds me of the innovations EA has implemented to stay with 2K’s game (freestyle dribbling on the PS2/Xbox, ELITE’s complete overhaul on the PS3/360).

EA has scrapped a franchise in the past and it’s worked. Triple Play Baseball got a really bad reputation in the early 2000s for low quality, so EA shut it down and made a new game, MVP Baseball, that by many accounts was the best baseball game of it’s day (before 2K Sports locked up the MLB license and killed the series). That means that EA Sports isn’t on entirely uncharted ground here. They just need to be careful to not lose too much territory to NBA 2K11 this fall. Time will tell if they can.

EDIT: Ok, after re-reading this for the 40th time, it dawned on me that the last paragraph sounded like I thought ELITE was dead. I was actually referring to EA going from Live to ELITE.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby DVocShoeBox on Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:35 pm

the only thing, I have been thinking bout is "HOW DOES DURANT FEELS ABOUT THIS?" I mean, we can atleast show sympathy to the cover guy!

He is a brillant player who is on the cover of the game no one likes.... bummer, make a new cover for Jam for heavens-sake... :D
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby thelegend23 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:54 pm

DVocShoeBox wrote:the only thing, I have been thinking bout is "HOW DOES DURANT FEELS ABOUT THIS?" I mean, we can atleast show sympathy to the cover guy!

He is a brillant player who is on the cover of the game no one likes.... bummer, make a new cover for Jam for heavens-sake... :D



same here, and i realize Mike Wang is a genius :wink:
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Qballer on Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:03 pm

wow when i read the title i thought maybe a month delay but i agree they should take the year off. i was very open to buying it but i decided against it after playing the demo a few times.

However, I am stoked at another year of Live 10, a game I actually do like. anybody know if roster updates are available right now or do we have to wait til day 1?
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:13 pm

Haven't checked yet but my guess is there might be an initial update sometime in early October (as they did when 09 and 10 came out), with the DNA updates commencing with the start of the 2010/2011 season.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Pdub on Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:45 pm

I think this shows the way EA runs their business. I guarantee you they were not continually evaluating the game throughout the development process. Otherwise, this announcement would not have happened two weeks before the release. This is what happens when you have ignorant gamers who know nothing of WIP footage try to give feedback from videos.

The controls were too deep for people to understand. Look at the videos people have posted. They are mad because they don't know what they are doing.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Andrew on Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:54 pm

Although I think there was merit in trying to re-invent the game considering some of the lacklustre feedback to recent releases (including NBA Live 10), they certainly might have gone too far with it. I know that's something wabenne has been saying the demo's release and while I don't totally agree with his take but I would say that there's merit in that too. There perhaps should have been more of a transition with the controls, more of a hybrid right off the bat.

The WWE Smackdown vs RAW series changed its control scheme from face buttons to greater use of the analog stick and triggers over the years but the change felt a bit less radical, at least in my view. We're talking about two different games there of course and it does work quite well for a wrestling game whereas perhaps it's not cut out for basketball based on the widespread reactions to the new controls, but hybrid controls might have at least eased everyone into the concept. I found the controls fairly easy to pick up but that's clearly not been the case for everyone. Scaling it back a bit would probably be a good start.
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby Pdub on Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:05 pm

There was no way Live could catch up with 2K with the way they were going. This reinvention was a step beyond what all the other sports games(minus backbreaker) have been relying on, animations that cover up holes in things like collisions or defense, and more responsive control. I seriously thought that the big wigs knew this was the plan all along. Package NBA JAM to get people to buy an NBA game that is 1/3rd done(3-year plan), and continue community interaction to help improve it. Upper management, all they care about is the numbers.

Now people are saying they should scrap Elite and try to add the control to Live 10 in a patch, which is impossible. AI and animations go hand in hand. They are also saying that since Elite 11 is already off to a rough start, the franchise is almost killed before it has started and they should bring back Live for 12. I agree on none of this. If the delay is used to improve the game, then great. If they don't fix those funky collision animations come a few months from now, people are going to consider the entire series a failure from the start.

I do agree on the hybrid thing. Keeping pass and shoot on a face button, making the right stick completely dribble moves, and keeping the turbo button would have been more acceptable to people. But they can just switch to the alternate, it's too easy to do that, and you still get the dribble stick, so wtf?

(paraphrasing)Wah, I don't know the controls, this game sucks.


I expected more maturity and intelligence out of these so called "sim heads." Talk to someone in real life who doesn't devote this much time to a sports game like a lot of us do. The best response would probably be- "It's just a game, play it for what it is. If you like it, good. If you don't, then why waste your time?"
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Re: NBA Elite 11 Delayed

Postby J@3 on Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:18 pm

I don't think the criticism was based on not knowing how the controls work. At least not the majority of it. The animations were terrible, so even if you mastered the control scheme you then had a game that looked spastic.. as opposed to a game that looked spastic, with a difficult control set-up.
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