Rookie Overall Ratings in NBA Live 13

[JaoSming]

Evidently the EA Sports Twitter is releasing overall ratings for the rookies.

Seems kinda high for rookies, I wonder how highly rated the superstars will be.

1. Anthony Davis = 80 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
2. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist = 78 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
3. Bradley Beal = 76 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
4. Dion Waiters = 76 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
5. Thomas Robinson = 77 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
6. Damian Lillard = 74 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... 92/photo/1
7. Harrison Barnes = 76 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
8. Terrence Ross = 71 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
9. Andre Drummond = 75 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
10. Austin Rivers = 74 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
11. Meyers Leonard = 73 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
12. Jeremy Lamb = 74 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
13. Kendall Marshall = 71 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
14. John Henson = 73 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
15. Maurice Harkless = 71 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
16. Royce White = 70 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
17. Tyler Zeller = 74 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
18. Terrence Jones = 73 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
19. Andrew Nicholson = 70 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
20. Evan Fournier = 68 OVR -
21. Jared Sullinger = 74 OVR - https://twitter.com/EASPORTSNBA/status/ ... to/1/large
22. Fab Melo = OVR -
23. John Jenkins = OVR -
24. Jared Cunningham = OVR -
25. Tony Wroten = OVR -
26. Miles Plumlee = OVR -
27. Arnett Moultrie = OVR -
28. Perry Jones = OVR -
29. Marquis Teague = OVR -
30. Festus Ezeli = OVR -

I think the EA Sports twitter went to bed early....

[shorty_ubk]

Too much overrated I think...

[JaoSming]

Too much overrated I think...

they are only numbers, and EA has a different rating system than 2K. It just depends on how these guys compare to the existing stars in the NBA.

[shorty_ubk]

Too much overrated I think...

they are only numbers, and EA has a different rating system than 2K. It just depends on how these guys compare to the existing stars in the NBA.

I know sir but still overrated for me 'cause you can't put rookies in high ratings, there's better role-players then them so there must be a standart for rookies and active players...

[JaoSming]

yes, but the 80s may have the role-players, and some non-superstars in the 90s with the superstars being in the high 90s.

[shorty_ubk]

yes, but the 80s may have the role-players, and some non-superstars in the 90s with the superstars being in the high 90s.

It's possible so I hope they make a justicefully rating standards for every players...

[Andrew]

The importance of overall ratings is overblown to begin with, but for what they're worth those don't look too bad. At this point there's a lot of guesswork with the ratings and how player performance/skill will translate to the NBA game, so you have to cut them some slack. I would assume that the highest rated players are still going to be in the mid to high 90s with quality role players getting up to the mid 80s; with that in mind, those ratings don't seem unreasonable for unproven rookies.

[[Q]]

seems like they're going back to the 50-99 ratings and ditching the rather ineffective 0-99 system

[22cedric]

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[benji]

seems like they're going back to the 50-99 ratings and ditching the rather ineffective 0-99 system

What's ineffective about it?

The games have always used a 0-99 system, they just recalculated them before showing users for some reason.

[Andrew]

A quick video I put together for the NLSC's YouTube channel:

[JaoSming]

The games have always used a 0-99 system, they just recalculated them before showing users for some reason.

According to 2K, that reason is because of the NBA not wanting player OVRs to be less than 50, and no rating less than 25. Can't find the OS post though.

[Andrew]

I imagine it would be a bit insulting for players. "17 in Offensive Awareness? Gee, thanks guys."

[benji]

There's an easy fix for your ratings, get better.

I know Madden had players complaining because they were rated 99 in something but they were faster than this other guy who also has a 99 so!!!

[Andrew]

Updated list:

1. New Orleans – Anthony Davis (80)
2. Charlotte – Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (78)
3. Washington – Bradley Beal (76)
4. Cleveland – Dion Waiters (76)
5. Sacramento – Thomas Robinson (77)
6. Portland – Damian Lillard (74)
7. Golden State – Harrison Barnes (76)
8. Toronto – Terrence Ross (71)
9. Detroit – Andre Drummond (75)
10. New Orleans – Austin Rivers (74)
11. Portland – Meyers Leonard (73)
12. Houston – Jeremy Lamb (74)
13. Phoenix – Kendall Marshall (71)
14. Milwaukee – John Henson (73)
15. Philadelphia – Moe Harkless (71)
16. Houston – Royce White (70)
17. Dallas – Tyler Zeller (74)
18. Houston – Terrence Jones (73)
19. Orlando – Andrew Nicholson (70)
20. Denver – Evan Fournier (68)
21. Boston – Jared Sullinger (74)
22. Boston - Fab Melo (68)
23. Atlanta - John Jenkins (67)
24. Dallas - Jared Cunningham (64)
25. Memphis - Tony Wroten (69)
26. Indiana - Miles Plumlee (61)
27. Philadelphia - Arnett Moultrie (71)
28. Oklahoma City - Perry Jones III (74)
29. Chicago - Marquis Teague (68)
30. Golden State - Festus Ezeli (65)

Facebook gallery can be found here.

[Ermolli]

I know we shouldn't look much into overall ratings because they aren't that important and that those will change for the better during the season but those numbers are ridiculous comparing them with Live 10. The highest rated rookie in that game was Griffin with 78 but then the rest of the rookies in Live 10 are in the low 70's and 60's when with what we could see from this year's rookie ratings most first rounders are in the 70's and Davis with 80; he has the same rating that Granger and Allen had in Live 10, even he has a better overall than Lewis, Roy and West. Maybe the overall ratings' formula is different that year but I feel there has to be a bigger difference between unproved players in the NBA, solid players, All Stars and superstars.

[Andrew]

That's not really that much of a difference. I would assume they're in line with the rest of the overall ratings, for as much as they're worth.

Also, a new video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IYqCJILq1E

[BD1899]

2K and Live rate their rookies too high. Rookies are supposed to be projects that eventually become your main pieces to your team over time. Their inexperience and not being adjusted to the pace and talent of the NBA game should result in them being worse than their NBA counterparts.

Andre Drummond being a 75 OVR is a perfect example of this. He has great athleticism and has the potential to become one of the best big men in the league, but right now he doesn't have enough NBA skill to warrant such a high rating. His game is incredibly raw and without a go to move, he won't be able to dominate like he could against lesser talent. His overall should reflect this by having him much lower but with a high enough potential that over a few seasons in Dynasty Mode, I can turn him into a dominant center/power forward. If Live/2K were to make overalls lower for rookies, it would give me more satisfaction to develop them in their respective Season modes. If players like Anthony Davis and MKG didn't already have ratings near all-star level, it would give me a sense of accomplishment for turning them into the next great NBA Legends.

I'm probably getting a little carried away here as I've yet to see the rating scale for myself but this is something that bugged me about NBA 2K for years and I'm hoping Live doesn't do the same. 2K's association mode becomes nearly unplayable after a few in-game years of gameplay because the league would get bloated by so many 80 OVR rookies that half of the teams in the league would have multiple all-stars on their rosters. NBA Live 10 on the other hand did a solid job at making the rookies seem more realistic in how they come into the league and develop over time. It made Dynasty mode dynamic and made it fun to play through multiple seasons to see how your league turns out. I hope we get to see the same from NBA Live 13.

[Andrew]

Not all rookies are projects, though. There have always been prospects throughout the years who have been NBA ready and made an immediate impact in the league.

Overalls are also often skewed by certain ratings; athletic players in particular tend to have very generous overalls due to high ratings in areas such as jumping, speed, quickness and dunking.

[ThaLiveKing]

Maybe some of the players ratings are high due to certain strength in certain areas, like you can understand why Davis is an 80, probably mainly due to his skill set, and huge defensive impact. Personally, I hate when rookies are in the 60's because it pretty much makes them useless in the game. But when you see them play in real life, it's a different story. You know what I mean!!

When 2k11 started My player at a rating of 47, that was some BS, no player that comes into the NBA is that bad unless you're Kwame Brown or Tyron Lue LOL.

That's just my intake of the ratings system in general

[benji]

I think there's an easy way to solve this so-called conundrum, and it just so happens to coincide with someone I've said for a decade, don't ever show overall ratings.

[22cedric]

These ratings will probaly change throughout the season since EA Sports has that Synergy technology.

[[Q]]

seems like they're going back to the 50-99 ratings and ditching the rather ineffective 0-99 system

What's ineffective about it?

The games have always used a 0-99 system, they just recalculated them before showing users for some reason.

oh yeah, i forgot about all the DB editing from back in the day, although i never edited ratings as that could be done in-game.

when they expanded the ratings system in live 08 or 09, it seemed a bit much to rate a guy on something like "sink or swim" from 0-99. i don't think it changed much in the game if a guy was rated 0 or rated 43, either way they'd probably be sinking most of the time

[Andrew]

I'm guessing that if both players were tested enough times in "sink or swim" situations, there would still be a noticeable difference between ratings of 0 and 43 (to use your example), but I know what you mean. It would probably work just as well with a smaller range of values that adequately covers excellent, good, average, below average and poor. It might make it harder to calculate the overall rating, but then again some of those AI/tendency related attributes perhaps should stand apart and not factor into the overall anyway.

As far as not making the overall ratings visible, I'm not sure about that. On one hand I do like the idea, because their importance is exaggerated and it'd avoid that whole hornet's nest. However, it's handy to have a summary of a player's value, a number you can put on it. As long as it factors into making trades in Dynasty Mode, I think you have to show it or some kind of representation of it so that the user can make a more informed decision when accepting or proposing deals.

[benji]

The reason to get rid of the overall ratings has nothing to do with ignorants whining about it. It's to stop exactly what you just said is a good reason for them existing. Do actual research, possibly trade for the wrong player, max out Jalen Rose, etc.

The ratings not affecting much ingame and being how they do simulations is a flaw with the game implementation, not the rating system. They really should be "percentiles" of players but you can't do a sensible system (which really would get rid of the need for ratings considering the so-called synergy/82games integration) like that when your core is fundamentally broken. It's why you can't get away, as you noted properly up thread, from guys who can't shoot or dribble or defend or pass being 85 overalls because they can leap out of the gym.