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NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:30 pm

This is a replacement thread for OG's original post, to create an open dialogue with the NBA Live Development Team. I expect we'll be getting an opportunity to provide feedback on specific issues as indicated by the devs but for the moment, I'd encourage everyone to check out this thread and compile a list of their top ten wishes in each area of the game.

Also feel free to post miscellaneous suggestions and questions in here. The team is keeping tabs on this section so our suggestions will be heard and hopefully we can get a few answers when their schedule permits and they're allowed to talk about certain things.

Note: The previous thread had to be nixed due to a few issues as we don't want to get anyone into trouble. Unfortunately it only occurred to me to split off some of the recent posts or soft delete the thread so we could copy and paste some of the lengthier posts in here as I'd finished deleting it. That's my screw up, sorry guys. :(
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Ermolli on Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:39 am

I've a question to the devs, I don't know if the can answer it but I'll ask anyways. Since you (Scott, Postgame and the rest of the team) are trying to make a basketball simulation and try to strategies, are coached going to have an effect during a game or are they just a person that sits on the bench next to the players? I'm asking because I believe coaches should make an impact in the game and great coaches should be differenciated from mediocre ones, like Gregg Popovich should be more valuable in the game by making adjustments during the game (defensive matchups, abuse offensively certain weakness from the other team, more offensive plays) than Vinny Del Negro. I think coaches should be important in Live which could affect how we play games, even in dynasty mode by selecting coaches with different offensive schemes, philosophy,caracteristics, strengths and weaknesses.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby 22cedric on Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:45 am

Will fans be able to send feeback on what they would like to see improved in certain areas in NBA Live such as Online, gameplay, presenation, dynasty, etc ? I have some great ideas that NBA Live devs can implement in terms of the presenation and ESPN.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby The X on Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:33 am

Any chance on getting the Dynasty mode programmers/designers in here? I'm sure a few of us would like to pick their brain :P :wink:

22cedric wrote:Will fans be able to send feeback on what they would like to see improved in certain areas in NBA Live such as Online, gameplay, presenation, dynasty, etc ? I have some great ideas that NBA Live devs can implement in terms of the presenation and ESPN.

Please re-read first post in this thread. Andrew provided a link. If you follow that, you can provide your ideas in that thread. Once it gets more populated, I'm sure they'll find it useful to get a quasi-consensus on what the A-Z/1-10 priorities are from a fan's perspective.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:35 am

Also, feel free to post suggestions and questions here. The developers are keeping tabs on the Forum and will hopefully be able to have some more interaction with us in the near future.

Unfortunately I had to shut down the other thread as there were some issues and I don't want to get anyone into trouble. I apologise to anyone who posted lengthy feedback in there, it was only as I was finished deleting the thread that I realised I should've split off some of the recent posts or at least soft deleted it so we could copy and paste some of the feedback in the new thread. That's my screw up, sorry guys. :(
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Nick on Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:06 pm

Did the other 2 threads the devs were posting in get deleted? I can't see them anymore.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby benji on Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:49 pm

Nick wrote:Did the other 2 threads the devs were posting in get deleted? I can't see them anymore.

No, just the one. The one I posted in is still up: viewtopic.php?f=131&t=87880
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby HoosierDaddy on Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:03 am

Nice job, Andrew. Ruined all my good posts.

LOL, jk

I will be keeping up with this thread and will provide some input at a later date.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Nick on Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:44 am

Dammit, that thread was gold.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Ermolli on Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:34 pm

It's been a while since any of the two devs appeared int these forums, I guess the interaction between us and them is dead again.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Andrew on Sun Dec 23, 2012 9:05 am

For now, but they are still keeping tabs on us and we'll hopefully be able to resume those conversations a little down the road.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby OGSPORTS on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:40 am

Ermolli wrote:It's been a while since any of the two devs appeared int these forums, I guess the interaction between us and them is dead again.


We're still here buddy. Always checking in :)
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby JaoSming on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:49 am

I know we have a couple wishlist threads going, but if there anything else you want input on, we are willing and waiting to help (Y) (Y)
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:58 am

Indeed. I'm guessing most of our Wishes still stand for the most part, but some of us are definitely up for providing specifics and/or clarification on previous feedback.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby dei. on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:06 am

Is there a way in the future for EA(or the Live developers) to release a beta for select members of NLSC(the admins specifically)?

I know that some review sites gets some early development code or beta to test and give some feedback to the game via a preview article or something. That might be a good way to get feedback with the community.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Ermolli on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:04 pm

JaoSming wrote:I know we have a couple wishlist threads going, but if there anything else you want input on, we are willing and waiting to help (Y) (Y)

That's what I was thinking, maybe the developers could bring a topic for us to give our input or that the developers ask for clarification or thoughts about certain post or idea someone gave on the wishlists or another topic.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Ermolli on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:12 pm

dei. wrote:Is there a way in the future for EA(or the Live developers) to release a beta for select members of NLSC(the admins specifically)?

I know that some review sites gets some early development code or beta to test and give some feedback to the game via a preview article or something. That might be a good way to get feedback with the community.

I don't know if they'll do it (I'm doubting it) but it's the easiest way to help and make the product better, the problem is that some would use the beta just to bash or not give specific opinions about what's good and bad.
Konami releases two demos for their PES games, first an early demo (I guess in beta state) which they use to recieve feedback and then they release the final demo with the fixes that were most asked by the people who downloaded the demo. The input given has helped Konami a lot because luckily the franchise could make a comeback and now it's head to head with FIFA.
Open or closed betas are very rare in sports games but I feel it's a great oportunity for EA to benefit from direct feedback to turn around things and once again become a good product.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:13 pm

Well, I'm certainly up for that, but I'm guessing that's highly unlikely. ;)
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Ermolli on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:20 pm

I don't know if I should put it here or in a new topicbut maybe here's the best option. I was thinking about players, their tendencies and a system. For example in a dynasty (talking about the mode) if two players (A and B) that require having the ball are in the same team will this affect the way the team performs? Let's say the system that the team has requires player B to play off the ball, will his tendecies adapt to the team needs? If player B have a low offensive awareness rating will he have trouble adapting to his new role? Let's say now that player A is the one who has to play more off the ball but has a good offensive awareness rating, would he be more effective in the game than player B? If A and B share the ball handling in turns or equaly, will this affect the way both perform? I'm asking all this because those type of things could make an impact or at least affect when we play Dynasty Mode or when people who play the game try to do things that certain players than aren't capable of doing well. Perhaps the coaching staff in that team could make this work when other coaching staff couldn't, that would make the mode interesting, don't you think?
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby benji on Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:59 pm

In the banished thread we started to consider that type of thing. I think it's fundamentally important to the design of the games but I don't know if really has ever been explored at the necessary theoretical level.

It certainly hasn't been discussed publicly.

EDIT: Never mind, if I had read my own posts in this thread I would see it's still up: viewtopic.php?p=1549061#p1549061
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Pdub on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:09 pm

I wouldn't expect to get a beta version. I wouldn't mind going to florida to get an early look like some journalists do, though.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby velvet bliss on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:40 pm

OGSPORTS wrote:We're still here buddy. Always checking in :)

Nice write up about you in the Orlando Sentinel. :)

So how's the mo-cap session? You guys gonna use all new mo-cap or just the old stuff or a mix of both? Any chance of seeing a brief footage of the mo-cap, just even a video of stick figures moving in the monitor?

You guys must be planning/doing something BIG to blackout any news about a mo-cap session. 2K better watch their back Live is going to be back!
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby JBulls on Sat Jan 05, 2013 9:50 pm

If you're not doing this already, I would like the jump shot animations to be fixed. I hope I'm not the only one who's noticed how static the animations look. Sometimes it appears they're jumping straight up with no visible force underneath them, and when they get up in the air, they're frozen until the shot release animation is initiated. Not very fluid in my opinion.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Pdub on Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:19 pm

shadowgrin wrote:
OGSPORTS wrote:We're still here buddy. Always checking in :)

Nice write up about you in the Orlando Sentinel. :)

So how's the mo-cap session? You guys gonna use all new mo-cap or just the old stuff or a mix of both? Any chance of seeing a brief footage of the mo-cap, just even a video of stick figures moving in the monitor?

You guys must be planning/doing something BIG to blackout any news about a mo-cap session. 2K better watch their back Live is going to be back!


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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby 22cedric on Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:18 am

Pdub wrote:
shadowgrin wrote:
OGSPORTS wrote:We're still here buddy. Always checking in :)

Nice write up about you in the Orlando Sentinel. :)

So how's the mo-cap session? You guys gonna use all new mo-cap or just the old stuff or a mix of both? Any chance of seeing a brief footage of the mo-cap, just even a video of stick figures moving in the monitor?

You guys must be planning/doing something BIG to blackout any news about a mo-cap session. 2K better watch their back Live is going to be back!


I think you logged in to the wrong account, cedric.


What do you mean that I logged into the wrong account ?
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Ermolli on Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:44 pm

Some days ago I was thinking about NBA Live 14 and wondered about something. In my opinion Live 10 had a great atmoshpere in terms of audio, the difference about a regular, playoff and finals game but commentary was decent and what we've seen from Elite 11 or Live 13 was quite poor. I believe commentary plays a huge part in how immersive you can be in the game, as much as graphics and other audio, it makes you feel you're into a real NBA game. I remember reading about how many hours and lines the three man team of ESPN did for Elite 11 but from the gameplay videos it didn't flow well and the lines felt forced. Because of that I wonder why don't EA extract lines and commentary exchange from the real NBA games Van Gundy and Green have both been? Since in an article from Live 13 said how helpful ESPN has been with EA giving their layouts and others. then EA can take tapes of games, isolate the commentary from the rest of the audio and get the lines. With that they'd have a bigger library of lines to use for the game and save ours of recording in studd they already have and using it for specific lines about player and team stories, Dynasty mode and Become a Legend specific commentary.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Pdub on Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:04 pm

Look at it from a programmers perspective, though. If you have a commentator saying a line, you have to find a gameplay trigger to apply the line to with proper context. Shuffling through lines of commentary would take ages. It's easier to give them an idea of the gameplay situation and have them record lines while watching live gameplay.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:39 pm

In years gone by, they have actually presented them with footage for them to comment on and react to it so that it sounds natural.
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Postby Pdub on Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:37 pm

That's what I was referring to.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:43 pm

So you did, misread that last sentence. :doh:

Thinking back though, I can't quite recall if they said they showed them real life footage, in-game footage or a mixture of both.
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Postby Pdub on Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:37 pm

I don't know if they ever gave out that information. I would guess real footage, because they would be calling the action for an unfinished game.

I can just imagine it. "And Bynum is posing at center court!" "Hook shot for 3...it's good!"
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Postby Andrew on Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:35 am

:lol:

I remember being told about it at a community event where they did go into specifics, but it was quite a few years back now. Real footage probably is more likely though.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby 22cedric on Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:19 am

You can follow NBA Live gameplay designer Danny Thompson on twitter @nbadt29 www.twitter.com/nbadt29
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Postby velvet bliss on Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:04 pm

I like how the NBA Live devs Twitter accounts have zero tweets regarding anything to do with news about NBA Live.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby JaoSming on Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:56 pm

what is there to say? Reflection on games that came out years ago? Obviously no real information due to PR, but generic and vague comments on how great something is in development?

Until there is something concrete to discuss with the game, after the initial announcement or something, then silence would be weird. Right now, after everything that has happened, no need to read into it.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Ermolli on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:12 am

Any information about a possible Advisory Council visit soon? Perhaps it would be interesting for them to see any progress and make an impact now instead of waiting until the last minute (even though the game hasn't come out in years).

I remember the "Move with a Purpose" motto from Live 13, maybe they can use this video for help...
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Postby Andrew on Wed Feb 13, 2013 10:39 pm

Still too early for any information.
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Postby Ermolli on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:30 am

Andrew wrote:Still too early for any information.


Maybe you're right but if EA wants people to get interested in their next game perhaps they should begin doing something now, with 2K releasing solid games lately there isn't much interest in a possible Live game.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:44 am

Once info starts coming out again, whenever that will be, I expect it will pique interest as it did last year. I'm sure PR has worked out a timeframe to start releasing that info, in the meantime we have developers keeping tabs on what we're posting here, so for now we might as well keep talking about what we want to see out of the next game.
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Postby Ermolli on Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:58 am

Problem is that it didn't pique much interest at all last year, we got more speculations than actual news and what we got was a leaked video (not released by EA) that only peaked interest because it was so terrible that it got attention from people. Yeah, later we got a trailer but it was more of a desesperation move than a way to attract potential consumers.

I know EA PR team doesn't need to show us anything but they "need" to release something if they want to gain some steam and hype for their (possible) next release.
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Re: NBA Live Developers Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:47 am

But people were interested in the prospect of a new NBA Live game coming out and talking about it; speculation itself is an example of piqued interest and that was there from the moment Kyrie Irving mentioned NBA Live 13 on Twitter. Even if they were sceptical about the game, they were still following the news while it was coming out, voicing their opinions and making speculations.

The preview "season" doesn't really start for another few months yet, so there's still plenty of time to get in early if that's what they choose to do. However, I think it's far more important that what they show is promising, positive and leaves a good impression, rather than it coming out earlier than usual.
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