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Postby Andrew on Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:58 pm

Post any slider tweaks (including full sets of custom sliders) as well as any general questions about the sliders in NBA Live 10 here.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Wed Oct 07, 2009 12:30 pm

It's kinda weird Andrew....

In NBA 2K10 the shooting sliders had to go down for me. But in Live 10 I'm actually thinking about increasing the shooting sliders for the CPU because in the few games i played since release they have really struggled to reach 45% in any game.

This was on Superstar level which really caught my attention. I guess it's good that the CPU doesn't shoot lights out anymore but i was noticing that they struggle to score a lot. Now again i haven't played much vs the CPU probably about a handful of games and only on 8 minute qtr's but the trend so far atleast in my games was that they had trouble offensively putting up points.

I'll probably create some sliders later on just for when i play the cpu this year.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Pdub on Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:30 am

What teams did you play against, and how is the defense of the team you are using? I am actually seeing the opposite, maybe because I played 3 games with the Clippers?
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:36 am

Pdub wrote:What teams did you play against, and how is the defense of the team you are using? I am actually seeing the opposite, maybe because I played 3 games with the Clippers?


I played Cleveland, Dallas and Portland using Boston as my controlled team.

Boston is good defensively but I held all those teams below 45% shooting on Super Star level. I'll take a lower rated team like Memphis sometime this evening and see if i get the same results. It kinda tough going back and forth between Live and 2K controls though... :mrgreen:
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby qwomack74 on Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:07 am

Always love your sliders Playmaker!!!! Take your time and give the quality work you always seem to put out. thanx in advance man!
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:46 am

I've been tweaking 2K right now.

But based on what you guys are seeing what sliders do you think need altered?

I can see a ton of potential in this game with slider tweaks this year if you enjoy playing the CPU. I've had very limited playing time but i'd say CPU's steals and int needs dropped. Human defense is still kinda slow in reacting to things IMO.

Game Speed could come down about 2-3 clicks. As mentioned earlier i think the CPU's shooting sliders need increased just a tad but that might not be wise for everyone. Their offensive attack in the few games i played seem kinda low but again i didn't play Phoenix, Golden St or New York type squads either.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:35 am

I'm torn on whether CPU interceptions should come down or not. I'd like to play it a little more before I make a decisoin on that as it could just be my own carelessness.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Pdub on Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:05 pm

Try using the freestyle receiver control more before changing that. I wish I could turn down the interceptions and increase the deflections.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:15 pm

I'll give that a try first, still getting the hang of using it effectively. Thanks. (Y)
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:36 am

I know this sounds crazy guys but i've been helping another poster over OS to figure out Pro Level sliders.

Now my skill level is probably more on par with Super Star level but just for realism purposes and allowing the game to have both great balance in both the half court and Fast break area Pro Level is rather good at both.

I've found that that if you tone down the Human shooting sliders and step up the CPU's defense this level can play pretty darn good basketball.

PRO LEVEL

Reduced Agility -40
Reduced Vertical-35........This will allow the jumping to look more realistic Trust me and with Layup/Dunk Freq increased it will be even better

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Speed-45
Fatigue-90
Charge Blk-75
Shooting-100
Reach In-75
In Air Collision-100

Sliders HUM/CPU

Dunk Layup Strip-60/50
Cont Shot %- 40/25
Steal-60/70
INT-60/30
Shot Block-30/30
Layup/Dunk Block-70/70
Off Reb-5/5
Def Reb-70/70
Fakeout-100
Inside Range-15/50
Mid Range-35/50
Long Range-35/50
Alley Oop-55
Layup/Dunk Freq-70
Layup %-45/45
Dunk %-45/45
CPU Pass Accuarcy-100
Hands in Post-45/100
Hands on Perimeter-45/100
CPU Help D-100
CPU Closeout D-100
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby buzzy on Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:14 am

Pro is the way to go! (Y)
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:00 am

buzzy wrote:Pro is the way to go! (Y)


yeah but you have really get the sliders right or else it'll be easy. I'm still tweaking things to make it difficult but in a realistic way.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby kevin02 on Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:33 am

I haven't really done anything yet but i've try adjusting a few things. I really don't trust my self adjusting sliders so i'll wait till some of you guys are done adjusting. I do think that the foul slider should go up but i'll wait to see how much the patch fixes things before i do to much.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:54 pm

I'm not sure I could go back to Pro unless there's some very good sliders to keep things challenging. I've been enjoying playing on All-Star, when that gets a little easy I'll give Superstar a try.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:25 am

Andrew wrote:I'm not sure I could go back to Pro unless there's some very good sliders to keep things challenging. I've been enjoying playing on All-Star, when that gets a little easy I'll give Superstar a try.


That's the thing once you tweak the sliders on Pro a lot of things better in gameplay. I haven't updated my post yet but I think i have some settings on Pro level that really makes the game pretty challenging.

Lots of guys at OS are starting to migrate over to Pro Level now aswell.

I'll look at some settings on Super Star level also but naturally Pro level will have some sliders going in opposite direction of Super Star in order to even out the playing field.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby kingjames23 on Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:23 am

it seems we have a few more sliders on x360, u playing on ps3 or something playmakers?
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:49 am

kingjames23 wrote:it seems we have a few more sliders on x360, u playing on ps3 or something playmakers?


Nope I'm on 360....

I can't waite for them to release the 1st roster update and patch that's when I'm going to put in my edits make this bad boy really play some ball.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby kingjames23 on Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:18 am

oh, so you just didnt post your adjustments for cpu helpside d, close outs, etc?
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:27 pm

kingjames23 wrote:oh, so you just didnt post your adjustments for cpu helpside d, close outs, etc?


I didn't realize I missed those sliders......

They would definetly be at 100 each because of the level (Pro)

In fact this weekend i'm going to put in some final base settings because I've modified the sliders since those 1st ones posted. But i do enjoy the level because of the freedom it gives you to play not half court but it opens up the transistion game much better than All-Star and Super Star level.

But like i said i dropped my FG Ranges down quite a bit and boosted up the cpu defense and Pro level is actually kinda good until they release a patch and roster update then i'm going to work on Super Star level game play with tweaked sliders and roster edits at that time.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Sat Oct 17, 2009 12:34 pm

I updated my Pro sliders in this thread. I've been getting some fun wide open games with them without scores getting out hand.

I left CPU shooting sliders all at default because i think each team shoots quiet different lots of variety in FG% by the CPU. OF the human shooting sliders were reduced because they are way OVERATED on Pro Level IMO. Good shooters will still knock down open looks for the Human player but the drop off will now come from bad shooters.

The only thing i would suggest is using the global player tweak for agility and vertical because it makes things look more natural IMO when guys are jumping.

I'm not going to get heavly into Live 10 just yet not until we get a patch and roster update then i have some edits i'll share with the community that i think you guys will really love how they impact game play. But for now I"m using those sliders and getting some nice matchups very realistic outcomes on 9 Minute QTR's
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby atlwarrior on Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:10 pm

Playmakers i dnt have the game yet but i see in some gameplay videos the cpu driving with players who hav no business driving thru traffic. Maybe its just me but maybe this could be fixed thru dribble ratings if tht still exists in the game. I was thinking only give players who handle the ball the most a higher dribble rating.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby kingjames23 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:40 am

only problem im having with your sliders so far is i keep turning the ball over too frequently. if you so much as bump into a cpu player you lose the ball. also, teammate awareness on defense needs a boost. if i get beat my teammates stand around too much and let the cpu drive in uncontested way too often.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:11 pm

kingjames23 wrote:only problem im having with your sliders so far is i keep turning the ball over too frequently. if you so much as bump into a cpu player you lose the ball. also, teammate awareness on defense needs a boost. if i get beat my teammates stand around too much and let the cpu drive in uncontested way too often.


Not much we can do because remember their is no Help Side defense slider for human this year. I think it's something in the ratings that will need edited in order for players to have better defensive awareness.

Also, i have a detailed post over at OS. I'm looking for 2-3 guys to help with me editing this year.

Are you interested?

Basically there are like 3 Global edits i'm looking at for game play and then the rest is just Individual edits to about 5 players per team to make them more true to life in their behavior on the floor. Let me know if your interested i have two guys from OS already willing to help and i need 1 more guy with good basketball knowledge on the teams and players tendencies.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby kingjames23 on Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:03 pm

i dont think i have played through enough games yet to really say if i can be much help yet. but i'll be sure to let you know if any of my tinkering bears fruit.

i do have this thread from the live 09 forum, EAcrazylegs was considering implementing into this year's player ratings. basically its to give a more accurate number of dunks vs layups per player. viewtopic.php?f=89&t=64780

it might be helpful in LIVE 10 as well... but wait,

NOW HERE'S SOMETHING I DON'T GET...

every player's dunk/layup frequency is set at 0 by default! go into team management/create player/ edit player/customize attributes/inside.... thats... wow.. everybody is set at zero!
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:53 am

kingjames23 wrote:i dont think i have played through enough games yet to really say if i can be much help yet. but i'll be sure to let you know if any of my tinkering bears fruit.

i do have this thread from the live 09 forum, EAcrazylegs was considering implementing into this year's player ratings. basically its to give a more accurate number of dunks vs layups per player. viewtopic.php?f=89&t=64780

it might be helpful in LIVE 10 as well... but wait,

NOW HERE'S SOMETHING I DON'T GET...

every player's dunk/layup frequency is set at 0 by default! go into team management/create player/ edit player/customize attributes/inside.... thats... wow.. everybody is set at zero!


Yeah i know I posted this over at OS about a week ago that every single player had zero dunk vs layup frequency

Funny how no NBA Live developer responded to my post

I think it has something to do with limiting the game from becoming a dunk fest. Also a lot of the individual player edits we are going to incorporate towards tendencies will be from 82games.com data. I think even with some DNA in Live 10 a lot of the players still need further edits to make them more lively during games and play closer to real life counterparts. I'm also going to use those settings posted by Liveking for dunk ratios of each player this year.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby kingjames23 on Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:25 am

if there is such a thing as dunk ratio's... where do you find that? having an actual percentage based rating would be even better than my method. i just dont know if anybody tracks each player's layup vs dunks....
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby kingjames23 on Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:11 pm

hey playmakers, how do your sliders work with the update? are you revamping?
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:59 am

kingjames23 wrote:hey playmakers, how do your sliders work with the update? are you revamping?


I'm going to be working on Super Star sliders after i can get an updated DNA roster file soon.

I think that last updated roster file was terrible because it has glitches in it
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby kingjames23 on Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:11 pm

updated sliders 11-5-09

Home/Away Difficulty: PRO
Substitution: Auto
Game Speed: 40
Fatigue Effect: 70
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 70
Shooting Foul Frequency: 80
Reach-In Foul Frequency: 50
In-Air Collision Foul Frequency: 80

USER/CPU

Dunk/Layup Strip Ability: 50/40
Contact Shot %: 30/20
Steal Ability: 60/60
Interception Ability: 40/5
Shot Block Ability:10/20
Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 60/60
Offensive Rebounding: 0/0
Defensive Rebounding: 100/100
Short Range Shooting: 20/55
Medium Range Shooting: 40/50
Long Range Shooting: 35/45
Dunk %: 45/60
Layup %: 40/55
Shot Alter Ability: 50/100
Hands In Post: 100/90
Hands On Perimeter: 100/90

User FT Shooting: 70

CPU Alley-Oop Frequency: 60
CPU Dunk/Layup Freq: 50
CPU Fake-out Discipline: 40
CPU Help Side Defense Effectiveness: 90
CPU Close Out Effectiveness: 90
CPU Pass Accuracy: 90
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Playmakers on Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:57 am

kingjames23 wrote:here's my post-patch slider set

pro- 12 min Quarters

Speed-45
Fatigue-70
Charge Blk-80
Shooting-80
Reach In-70
In Air Collision-80

Sliders HUM/CPU
FT-50
Dunk Layup Strip-30/60
Cont Shot %- 10/40
Steal-50/60
INT-40/40
Shot Block-10/40
Layup/Dunk Block-40/60
Off Reb-10/10
Def Reb-90/100
Fake out-100
Inside Range-10/50
Mid Range-40/45
Long Range-35/40
Alley Oop-60
Layup/Dunk Freq-50
Layup %-35/55
Dunk %-45/60
Shot alter-50/100
CPU Pass Accuracy-100
Hands in Post-50/100
Hands on Perimeter-50/100
CPU Help D-100
CPU Closeout D-100


Looks good i'll give them a shot this weekend and give you some feedback....

I keep trying to make Super Star level play like Pro level but it's really annoying at times. So, I might go back to Pro level again
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Mr bEn on Sun Nov 08, 2009 5:45 pm

kingjames23 wrote:updated sliders 11-5-09


I'm going to give your sliders a rock tonight. Will let you know what I think.

You playing 12 min qtrs?

ps: forgive my ignorance, but since the sliders aren't actually numbered, i'm assuming we are taking an educated guess as to where a certain number would be on the slider when we adjust them?
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby KillaMayo on Fri May 14, 2010 7:58 am

Hi, Im new here. Just bought the game and sold my 2k10 'cause it was really weak this year and i totally really liked Live 10 demo.

So few questions:
Should I change the fatigue effect to have realistic minutes for players? (I played the demo and there weren't any subs at all)
I play 10 minute quarters
and should i tweak the shot success sliders to have realistic FG%?

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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri May 14, 2010 9:01 am

If you're playing ten minute quarters, you probably won't have to tweak the fatigue slider too much, if at all. I'd play a game or two and see how you like the substitution frequency. Same goes for the field goal sliders, I don't think the default settings are too bad but play a game and see what you think.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby rudyjuly2 on Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:58 am

How the heck do you know where your slider is at when you adjust it? Is the total slider set out of 50? Impossible to tell with EA not providing numbers.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Andrew on Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:38 am

Absolutely, that's been a problem with sliders in this generation of NBA Lives. The middle of the slider represents 50, so it's a matter of counting the number of "notches" you move left or right of the middle. Cumbersome and inconvenient, for sure.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby rudyjuly2 on Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:43 pm

Thanks. I was using King James sliders and I just didn't realize how quick/touchy the sliders are. I'm just eyeing up some of those things. As a past fan of the NBA and someone getting back into basketball (mainly because I've been coaching some little kids, been years since I've played) it is nice to play some video game basketball. I always liked Live's controls better and for $10 this game is a steal.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:52 pm

Yeah, that's the other problem with the lack of numbers on the sliders, it's very easy to overshoot a "notch". Usually one or two either way won't make too much of a difference (and it's easy enough to adjust if so) but yeah, it makes it more complicated than it needs to be. I can't remember if we mentioned that in our Wishlist materials, I'll probably be sending through some follow up info to the dev team so it's probably worth a mention.
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Re: Official Slider Tweaks Thread

Postby rudyjuly2 on Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:38 pm

One thing that stands out at me after playing awhile is that the rebounding sliders don't seem to work. There simply aren't enough offensive rebounds. I just played the Magic and they got one offensive board all game. I've got cpu offensive rebounding at 100 and user defensive rebounding at 0 (on Pro). I don't think those sliders work at all unless they are backwards. This is probably a reason I don't see enough fast break points as people don't crash the boards hard enough.

I don't think I'm the greatest player and after reading Andrew's complaints about some things on Superstar I have just stayed on Pro the whole time and have had a lot of fun. Games are close although this is one area that is weak imo. Here are my current sliders.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... n_US#gid=0

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